[Altamate]

Originally Posted by RM7

That's easy, Israel and the US, this year and last year, to eliminate resistance to Israel continuing to take land and expanding settlements in other people's land. That's it. Those that believe in sky-fairies think they have the ultimate right to the land above anyone else. And once again, I'm waiting for someone to read the press release from June 2025, so you can see how, with no question, Iran's nuclear program was obliterated and set back years. You owe yourself that...then you can watch Netenyahu saying they are 2 weeks away from a nuclear bomb...for the last 20 years.

Yes, the best estimates at the time, are that after the bunker bombs, the program was set back years, I watched that press release when it came out. The rest of the information in your post is half the story at best. Couldn’t even get when the US got involved in the bombing right, let alone why.

How much land of Iran is Israel expanding into?

[NealfromNZ]

Quite common down under. Neighbours have an SUV and a crossover.

The Seal is pretty damm quick. i4 M50 type power. There is one near by and on the onramp pull its a bit quicker than my standard F80 M3, I’d need stage 1 to stay with it. Pricing undercuts Tesla.

Few reports of scab rust appearing in Australia though. Perhaps the steel isn’t treated as well.

[smokinjoe64]

Originally Posted by RM7

There's a significant difference in turbine engine technology given the size difference between the fan portion of the engine between both aircraft...

Aerospace engine designs/technology only a fraction of issues related to IP, and military related theft, espionage.
China's longstanding, nefarious practices are clear - - span virtually all major vertical segments/markets vis-à-vis automotive industries et all

[Dave_M]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Executive Party Ties: BYD’s billionaire founder, chairman, and CEO, Wang Chuanfu, is a known member of the CCP and a prominent ally to the central government.

BYD receives heavy direct and indirect state financial backing—amounting to billions of dollars in subsidies.

U.S. Military List: The U.S. Department of Defense has identified BYD as a "Chinese Military Company" (CMC) on its Section 1260H list. This designation reflects U.S. concerns over the "Military-Civil Fusion" (MCF) strategy, which integrates commercial companies into the People's Liberation Army (PLA) supply and research ecosystem.

Data Privacy & "Connected" Cars: Because modern BYD vehicles act as connected, data-gathering sensors, Western lawmakers have raised alarms over the potential for surveillance and data being sent back to Beijing under China's National Intelligence Law. This has prompted U.S. investigations and proposed legislation that could restrict or ban Chinese-connected vehicle software and hardware on U.S. roads.

Nothing to see here, move along
Great breakdown, the military-civil fusion angle is often overlooked. Curious if the US ban will actually go through or just stay in proposal limbo.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Powerday

BYD is everywhere in Europe these days, so it's always surprising to hear how uncommon they still are in the US. It will be interesting to see whether they eventually find a way into the American passenger car market in a meaningful way.

Chinese EVs will not make it to US any time soon, if ever. There is a bipartisan effort to keep them out of US market.

For reference:

Recent Polestar exit from US was due to The Connected Vehicle Rule. Which was passed by the Biden admin. It finally kicked in for 2027 model year.

100% tariff on Chinese EVs was also passed by the Biden admin. They also raised tariffs on solar cells and semi-conductors to 50%. Lithium batteries and battery parts also got raised to 25%.

So it isn't just Chinese vehicles, it was a whole host of Chinese tech they trying to keep out of US markets.

[freakystyly]

Lengthy article, mostly what has already been discussed.

https://autos.yahoo.com/policy-and-e...180000710.html

From the article:
The U.S. government is having a version of this argument right now, and it's moving faster than most car buyers realize. On July 22, the Senate Commerce Committee advanced the Connected Vehicle Security Act of 2026 out of committee with unanimous support, and the bill's language goes well beyond banning cars physically assembled in China. It caps foreign ownership of a vehicle's software at 25 percent and its telematics hardware — the cellular modems and control modules that give any car its always-on link to the outside world — at that same 25 percent, with compliance required by 2030. That's the exact hardware category Ruter's engineers just spent months stress-testing in a Norwegian mountain: the physical box that lets a manufacturer talk to a vehicle from anywhere on Earth. The bill isn't only aimed at Chinese brands, either — its ownership thresholds are strict enough to catch legacy European manufacturers with the wrong shareholders, which tells you the underlying concern is the connection itself, not the badge on the grille.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Chinese EVs will not make it to US any time soon, if ever. There is a bipartisan effort to keep them out of US market.

For reference:

Recent Polestar exit from US was due to The Connected Vehicle Rule. Which was passed by the Biden admin. It finally kicked in for 2027 model year.

100% tariff on Chinese EVs was also passed by the Biden admin. They also raised tariffs on solar cells and semi-conductors to 50%. Lithium batteries and battery parts also got raised to 25%.

So it isn't just Chinese vehicles, it was a whole host of Chinese tech they trying to keep out of US markets.

Mercedes-Benz could face US ban under Senate bill targeting Chinese-owned automakersThe German automaker has a nearly 20% passive Chinese investment, putting it above the bill's 15% ownership threshold
"Chinese cars are surveillance packages on wheels, with the ability to collect on American citizens and transmit that data back to Beijing," Slotkin said in a statement.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...ned-automakers

So American government and companies harvesting our data GOOD, Chinese government and companies harvesting our data BAD?
How about NO governments and companies harvesting our data?

[pz619]

Honestly Tesla is pretty bad too. I have all my data sharing options set to off, but it’s not like they honor that. When you disengage FSD there is now a forced survey on why you turned it off. If you don’t take it, you can’t use the entertainment controls and it blocks part of your screen, indefinitely.

Also, if turn your data settings to private, it asks you to turn it back on every week or so. It also relentlessly wants to connect to home WiFi, where you get a different pop up. This is likely to be the last Tesla I own. Fuck Elon.

[NealfromNZ]

It’s just the way of modern cars. We expect online services.

A large portion of us are using telematics modules since early 2010s which has all the vehicle telemetry anyhow.

Why would you worry about a car that’s been produced in an alternative country these days. Sounding more like old school local market manufacturing protection.

Suprised BMW and Mercedes Benz haven’t been banned as well from USA markets. Maybe BMW get around this by telemetry data been stored and tracked in Florida ?

This is the BYD seal thats similar in performance to the outgoing i4 M50 but half the price.


https://www.bydauto.co.nz/vehicles/seal#performance-one

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Mercedes-Benz could face US ban under Senate bill targeting Chinese-owned automakersThe German automaker has a nearly 20% passive Chinese investment, putting it above the bill's 15% ownership threshold
"Chinese cars are surveillance packages on wheels, with the ability to collect on American citizens and transmit that data back to Beijing," Slotkin said in a statement.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...ned-automakers

So American government and companies harvesting our data GOOD, Chinese government and companies harvesting our data BAD?
How about NO governments and companies harvesting our data?

From the commercial standpoint, that would be the GDPR legislation that the European Union passed. I'm no fan of many things the European Union does. But they got this legislation right. Fat chance anything remotely similar ever passes in the US with all the corruption here.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by pz619

Honestly Tesla is pretty bad too. I have all my data sharing options set to off, but it’s not like they honor that. When you disengage FSD there is now a forced survey on why you turned it off. If you don’t take it, you can’t use the entertainment controls and it blocks part of your screen, indefinitely.

Also, if turn your data settings to private, it asks you to turn it back on every week or so. It also relentlessly wants to connect to home WiFi, where you get a different pop up. This is likely to be the last Tesla I own. Fuck Elon.

You should look up the old videos Youtuber Rich Rebuilds did on the Tesla electronics. The amount of video data collected that's stored locally is crazy.

[FrankL]

There is a video on Electric Viking on Youtube. He is a big EV guy but he said all of the Chinese EV companies are losing money. Maybe one isn't.

I have new found respect for Schmee (English guy in late 30s or so now). I used to be lukewarm but he blasted politicians on EV and said they are environmental disasters and toxic. He said car makers globally had to waste tens of billions on EV BS instead of improving ICE engines.

I also like Schmee because a few years ago he went to Schnitzer to do a video on Schnitzer i8. Sadly, Schnitzer will be closing down which is terrible.