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Youre assuming a lot of things that I havent even implied. I agree, whole foods are better than supplements, but thats beside the point. But spare me the 100% organic all natural free range omega-3 infused crap. The only difference between organic and nonorganic foods is that organic foods cost a hell of a lot more. Theres no data showing any conclusive benefit of one over the other. |
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here cutting and pasting info from othere sites (which you have no idea what it means), posting skinny gay pix of you in your lil football tights (with 12 inch arms) and trying to be-little others that have expierence. |
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As far as organic vs non organic, try tasting the difference in the two foods. Or look at the difference in shell density between an organic egg and non organic egg. The non-organic egg's shell is so paper thin it's ridiculous; the organic egg's shell is strong and healthy. I am not for omega 3 infused (done by man) eggs. Often the omega 3s put into the eggs are of low quality any way. If you think about it, why would I want to eat a cow that has had anti-biotics and hormones injected into it? These bovine anti-biotics and hormones are passed onto the eater and drinker of the meat and milk respectively. Non organic meats are fed processed grains and are often not free range. Organic meats come from free range cows feed a natural grass diet. I won't get into plants sprayed with pesticides that are grown in nutrient lacking soil. The fact of the matter is, you can't get healthy eating an unhealthy animal/plant. |
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I was giving credibility to my training background. I will remove the pics so the thread isn't disrupted.
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I have contributed positively to the thread. In fact, the OP thanked me for some of my advice. Because I pasted something from another site I don't know what it means? That makes sense. I have not be-littled anyone only disagreed with others. Football is far from a gay sport. My "little" arms score a sh*t load of TDs; that's all I care about. A lot of people couldn't last a day in pro football - it's too demanding physically and mentally. |
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But feel free to post any data showing organic foods to be superior to non-organic foods. I have yet to see any. *** 1: Int J Food Sci Nutr. 2003 Sep;54(5):357-71. Organic food: nutritious food or food for thought? A review of the evidence. Magkos F, Arvaniti F, Zampelas A. Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, Harokopio University, Athens, Greece. Apparently, one of the primary reasons for purchasing organic food is the perception that it is more nutritious than conventional food. Given the increasing interest towards organic food products, it is imperative to review the existing literature concerning the nutritional value of the produce, and to determine to what extent are consumer expectations met. There are only few well-controlled studies that are capable of making a valid comparison and, therefore, compilation of the results is difficult and generalisation of the conclusions should be made with caution. In spite of these limitations, however, some differences can be identified. Although there is little evidence that organic and conventional foods differ in respect to the concentrations of the various micronutrients (vitamins, minerals and trace elements), there seems to be a slight trend towards higher ascorbic acid content in organically grown leafy vegetables and potatoes. There is also a trend towards lower protein concentration but of higher quality in some organic vegetables and cereal crops. With respect to the rest of the nutrients and the other food groups, existing evidence is inadequate to allow for valid conclusions. Finally, animal feeding experiments indicate that animal health and reproductive performance are slightly improved when they are organically fed. A similar finding has not yet been identified in humans. Several important directions can be highlighted for future research; it seems, however, that despite any differences, a well-balanced diet can equally improve health regardless of its organic or conventional origin. Publication Types: Review PMID: 12907407 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 2: Proc Nutr Soc. 2002 Feb;61(1):19-24. Nutritional quality of organic food: shades of grey or shades of green? Williams CM. High Sinclair Unit of Human Nutrition, School of Human Nutrition, School of Food Biosciences, University of Reading, UK. c.m.williams@reading.ac.uk Consumer concern regarding possible adverse health effects of foods produced using intensive farming methods has led to considerable interest in the health benefits of organically-produced crops and animal products. There appears to be widespread perception amongst consumers that such methods result in foods of higher nutritional quality. The present review concludes that evidence that can support or refute such perception is not available in the scientific literature. A limited number of studies have compared the nutrient compositions of organically- and conventionally-produced crops, with a very small number of studies that have compared animal products (meat, milk and dairy products) produced under the two agricultural systems. Very few compositional differences have been reported, although there are reasonably consistent findings for higher nitrate and lower vitamin C contents of conventionally-produced vegetables, particularly leafy vegetables. Data concerning possible impacts on animal and human health of diets comprising organic or conventional produce are extremely sparse. Data from controlled studies in animal models, particularly within single species, are limited or poorly designed, and findings from these studies provide conflicting conclusions. There are no reports in the literature of controlled intervention studies in human subjects. Comparison of health outcomes in populations that habitually consume organically- or conventionally-produced foods are flawed by the large number of confounding factors that might contribute to any differences reported. If consumer perceptions regarding potential health benefits of organic foods are to be supported, more research of better quality is needed than that which is currently available. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 12002790 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2002 Jan;42(1):1-34. A comparison of the nutritional value, sensory qualities, and food safety of organically and conventionally produced foods. Bourn D, Prescott J. Department of Food Science, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand. diane.bourn@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Given the significant increase in consumer interest in organic food products, there is a need to determine to what extent there is a scientific basis for claims made for organic produce. Studies comparing foods derived from organic and conventional growing systems were assessed for three key areas: nutritional value, sensory quality, and food safety. It is evident from this assessment that there are few well-controlled studies that are capable of making a valid comparison. With the possible exception of nitrate content, there is no strong evidence that organic and conventional foods differ in concentrations of various nutrients. Considerations of the impact of organic growing systems on nutrient bioavailability and nonnutrient components have received little attention and are important directions for future research. While there are reports indicating that organic and conventional fruits and vegetables may differ on a variety of sensory qualities, the findings are inconsistent. In future studies, the possibility that typical organic distribution or harvesting systems may deliver products differing in freshness or maturity should be evaluated. There is no evidence that organic foods may be more susceptible to microbiological contamination than conventional foods. While it is likely that organically grown foods are lower in pesticide residues, there has been very little documentation of residue levels. Publication Types: Review PMID: 11833635 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Altern Ther Health Med. 1998 Jan;4(1):58-69. Effect of agricultural methods on nutritional quality: a comparison of organic with conventional crops. Worthington V. NutriKinetics, Washington, DC, USA. The increasing use of alternative therapies that rely on organically grown foods has renewed interest in the relationship between agricultural methods and food quality. The purpose of this article is to review the literature produced over the last 50 years comparing the nutritional quality of organic with conventional crops. Whereas few studies have been conducted, there is a trend in the data indicating higher nutrient content in organically grown crops. This phenomenon is possibly due to a higher water content in conventional crops, which causes nutrient dilution. For individual nutrients, existing studies show that organic fertilization practices produce crops with higher levels of ascorbic acid, lower levels of nitrate, and improved protein quality compared with conventionally grown crops. Although a theoretical rationale exists for possible effects of herbicides on nutrient content, few studies have examined the effects of these or other pesticides. Animal studies showed better growth and reproduction in animals fed organically grown feed compared with those fed conventionally grown feed. Further research is required to confirm the trends seen in the existing data and to clarify the exact relationships between agricultural management and nutritional quality. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 9439021 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
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First off, just realize that your weight gainer doesn't contain anything that "real food" doesn't have in it. All that it contains is a protein blend with some added fats and some carbs, which is fine because its a convenient way to take in 600+cals if you don't have the time to eat real food, but I don't want you to think that you can't successfully bulk without it. BTW, if you add a cup and a half of oats along with two tablespoons of peanut butter to a whey/casein blend you will essentially have the same thing that BSN is selling you, but it looks like they dump in some vitamins to give it a really long ingredient list. Ok, as far as easy foods to cook you have a bunch of options. I find it best to just take one day where I have an hour of spare time and I will cook a bunch of food for the week (ie. I'll bake 20 chicken breasts in the oven that are covered with olive oil and paprika so I'll have them for the week). As far as easy to cook meals I eat eggs a lot during the day because its something that I can cook up in 5 minutes and is really high in protein. I'll usually have a whole egg with a cup of eggwhites, some chicken, black olives, cooked with olive oil, and seasoned with paprika/red pepper. On the side of this I'll have a sweet potato, brown rice, or a piece of fruit. Another good recipe that I found, which has been a staple for me when I'm down on cals has been protein pancakes. These are a great way to take in a good 800 cals in a single meal, which is nice, and they taste really good as well. The recipe is really simple to make as well, and only takes around 10 minutes to cook. To make the batter take a cup of oats and blend it into oat flour in your blender. Then add 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1 cup eggwhites, teaspoon baking powder, pumpkin spice, and cinnamon. Blend that all together and your batter is done. Pour that into a pan that is sprayed with olive oil and you have pancakes ready to go in a few minutes that are loaded with protein, and high in complex carbs from the oats. I'll top it off with a tablespoon or two of peanut butter, a sliced up banana or some other fruit, or some sf syrup (how many toppings and what kind usually depends on how down on cals I am for the day). Oats are also a great food because they are so dense in calories. I like to take a huge tub of oats (around 9 cups I think it is), throw it in a bowl and add a ton of cinnamon/pumpkin spice to it as well as some melted down honey. Mix it all together and then bake it in the over for 10-15 mins to make your own granola that you can eat as cereal in the morning. There are so many options though. Another easy meal to make is to cook some chicken and boil some bean thread or chow mein wheat noodles that only take a few minutes to prepare. Mix them together with some type of sauce (general tsaos, teriyaki, thai penaut sauce, etc) to make a stirfry. I try to make something different just about everyday so I don't get tired of eating the same crap all the time, but it consists of many of the same types of foods. Quote:
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Gaining muscle is relatively simple, to an extent.
1. Train intelligently, and heavy. 2. Stick to the basic exercises with variations: bench, squat, deadlift. 3. Eat intelligently, which means as healthy as you possibly can, and often. 4. Sleep. A lot. 5. Supplement, if necessary.
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If you guys don't mind, I would LOVE to take a moment fromt his thread and SHOWOFF! LOL...
I used to be really into bodybuilding, but since training BJJ for almost 3 years now, I have lost tons of muscle and have a hard time gaining weight. On the plus side, I stay lean year round. I follow a pretty strict diet though, with two cheat meals a week. Yes! I know, I'm being a showoff, but god damn it I love it. 165lbs, 5'10', 31'' waist (modest).
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But if you're substituting it as a meal, then no big deal. I use it every once in a while, to help me add an extra 300+ calories (since I use it with milk) to my "whole foods" intake. As has been said though, real foods first, then add in supps if desired. |
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What all did you take, what was your diet like? What was your typical workout routine. We're really close to the same body type. |
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This is how my schedule is now since I have lots of time and not working. Example 6am: BCAA's and a cup of joe with splenda 6:15am: 1 hour of slow paced cardio at 115bpm 7:45am: 1/2 cup of oats, 2 scoops of whey, Multi Vitamin, and some Flax 11am: 1/2 cup of cottage cheese, turkey, fruit (something low GI like Blueberries or an apple) 2pm: 8oz of Sweet potatoe, 1/4 cup of FF cheddar cheese, 6oz of chicken breast. 3:30pm: Weight Train (30-45 minutes) 4:30-4:45pm: PWO Shake- 2 scoops of Whey, 1 scoop of waxy maize 6pm- Heavy carb load- 1.5 cups of whole wheat pasta, 6-8oz of chicken breast, 1/2 cup of cottage cheese 7:30pm- Banana and peanut butter (peanut butter's fat helps slow the digestion of the banana, and the fructose from the banana provides me with good energy before BJJ) 8:15 till' 9:30pm- BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) 10pm- 2 scoops of whey, 3 tablespoons of Gatorade powder 10:15pm- Knock out and go to sleep. This is only an example and workout times will vary on somedays. Been a member of bodybuilding.com and its forum since I was 14yrsold. I'm not huge or monstrous, but thats not my goal anymore anyways.
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Nice work joyride!!!
I'm also 5'10, currently 163lbs, but it looks like you have around 20lbs of muscle on me. You must have the smallest bone structure known to mankind to have that much muscle on your frame at only 165lbs. Keep up the great work.
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Looking good Joyride (not in a gay way)! If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
I am 5'6" 140ish and 18. I'm currently working on a string of photos like you see on YouTube where you take a pic everyday for a while and put them in a movie that goes really quickly so you can see change. I wish someone, like you or BoostedBMW, could sit down with me and help me figure out a full out diet for myself, as I just do not have the indepth knowledge on this kind of thing as you guys seem to portray in your posts. |
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http://www.chekinstitute.com/meet.cfm http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=885647 He is about high performance and holistic health. Holistic health is not the usual for western society that is why he can be considered controversial. Pharmaceutical companies are out to make a profit. Many drugs correct sypmtoms and not the base root of the problems and acutally cause more problems which calls for more drugs -- the cycle goes on and on. Drugs companies have us hooked from cradle to grave. Holistic healing attacks the root of the problems and puts the body back into balance so the problem stops. Americans are largely not open minded enough to accept this type of methodology. They are bombarded with marketing by drug companies and influenced by what their doctor with no nutrition background gives them to take. Quote:
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Here is some info for you to swallow about organic foods. http://www.sustainweb.org/pdf/myth_real.pdf Now you look more insecure. My background is in Div IA sports and professional sports. You're small compared to guys I competed against every day for eight years. Get over yourself. Last edited by Bobby_Light; 08-30-2008 at 11:29 PM.. Reason: Added Chek interview link |
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Ironically, Paul Chek just put out a video regarding post-workout nutrition. Does this guy sound like a nut job? I sure don't think so. He says he is not for commercial products. "There is no better product than nature." How true. He also mentions metabolic typing - eating according to your metabolism. He dislikes whey post workout due to its low fat content.
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*** Dtsch Tierarztl Wochenschr. 2003 Aug;110(8):316-9.Links [Effects of animal housing facilities on residues and contaminants in food] [Article in German] Hamscher G, Nau H. Zentrumsabteilung für Lebensmitteltoxikologie, Zentrum für Lebensmittelwissenschaften, Tierärztliche Hochschule Hannover. Gerd.Hamscher@tiho-hannover.de There are--especially in the case of food of animal origin--only a few well-controlled studies available comparing organically and conventionally produced food with a focus on residues and contaminants. The differences found seemed to be much lower than expected, and the amounts of residues and contaminants were mostly below regulatory maximum residue levels. In the case of organically and conventionally produced milk there have been slight but usually not significant differences reported. One important observation is, that conventionally produced milk contains aflatoxin M1 more frequently than biologically produced milk. The investigation of eggs from different housing systems for laying hens showed in the case of dioxins the highest concentrations in free range eggs. In contrast, propoxur, an insecticide used against the poultry red mite, was found in eggs from battery cages in higher amounts than in those from enriched cages and in eggs obtained from an aviary system. Further research in this field is highly recommended, but there should be more sophisticated evaluation of the data sets from national and international monitoring programs. J Food Prot. 2005 Nov;68(11):2451-3.Links Salmonella prevalence in free-range and certified organic chickens. Bailey JS, Cosby DE. US Department of Agriculture, Agricultural Research Service, P.O. Box 5677, Athens, Georgia 30604-5677, USA. jsbailey@saa.ars.usda.gov Many consumers assume that broiler chickens grownunder traditional commercial conditions will have more Salmonella than free-range or organic chickens, which usually are less crowded, have access to outside spaces during grow out, and are fed special diets. Despite these perceptions, there is a lack of published information about the microbiological status of free-range and organic chickens. A total of 135 processed free-range chickens from four different commercial free-range chicken producers were sampled in 14 different lots for the presence of Salmonella. Overall, 9 (64%) of 14 lots and 42 (31%) of 135 of the carcasses were positive for Salmonella. No Salmonella were detected in 5 of the 14 lots, and in one lot 100% of the chickens were positive for Salmonella. An additional 53 all-natural (no meat or poultry meal or antibiotics in the feed) processed chickens from eight lots were tested; 25% ofthe individual chickens from 37% of these lots tested positive for Salmonella. Three lots of chickens from a single organicfree-range producer were tested, and all three of the lots and 60% of the individual chickens were positive for Salmonella.The U.S. Department of Agriculture Food Safety and Inspection Service reported that commercial chickens processed from 2000 to 2003 had a Salmonella prevalence rate of 9.1 to 12.8%. Consumers should not assume that free-range or organicconditions will have anything to do with the Salmonella status of the chicken. Last edited by oldaccount; 08-31-2008 at 01:50 PM.. |
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[u2b]UJ2-tcTBo4g&feature=related[/u2b] And remember folks, you can cure your food allergies by chewing your food to a liquid consistency, to allow your Chi and life force to mix with the food. That way your body will accept the food as a welcomed friend, instead of as an enemy. [u2b]lbW3MmRWg_s&feature=related[/u2b] Not insane at all: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/for...highlight=chek The Chek Mandala is my favorite: http://www.chekinstitute.com/articles.cfm?select=51 |
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For one it depends on what protein drink youre talking about. It does not matter WHEN you have them really it is the total amount in the day. You will want to have 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight. That is usually the formula. If it were me I would have one 3 times a day, in between meals.
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I just posted an entire PDF which mentioned several studies showing organic foods are superior. You don't think your studies are influenced and funded by commercial farming interests. You are regurgitating what you have been fed regarding commercial farming. You should know better than to post a study done by a government agency. Corporate america has our government by the balls. Why has disease risen so sharply in the US in the past 100 years if our farming habits are better than those that pre-date 1900? If all of these pesticides and processed foods are so good, shouldn't cases of degenerative disease be falling? That's all the proof I need to stay as far away from commercial farming as possible. Quote:
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