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      06-17-2018, 02:41 PM   #45
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Ceramic Pro just completed. Carbon Black. Looks better than when new (4 weeks ago).



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Ceramic Pro just completed. Carbon Black. Looks better than when new (4 weeks ago).



I'm debating doing Ceramic Pro, which "level" did you go with, Bronze, Silver, or Gold? And what did it cost?

The closest detail shop that does Ceramic Pro quoted me at $1200 for Silver and $1700 for Gold. I can't stomach the $1700.

What pisses me off is he quoted my buddy 2 months ago on his Tesla Model 3 at $900 for Silver and $1600 for gold. Guess even with the 230 being cheaper and a coupe with less surface space there is still a BMW tax? (Being that both cars would be going in brand new)
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The fact that the ceramic coating can only be removed via wet sanding should say something about its function and durability compared to waxes.
I can remove it using a DA polish plus some mild cut like orange foam pad and some good product like Meguiar's 105 or Menzerna Fast Gloss.

Never_Enough , just do some research and it is really tough to weed through the BS or the Marketing Strategy some of these products offer. Do you ever wonder what the thickness of these coatings? It will not prevent swirls and scratches.

I am a detailer enthusiast and it pains me when people spend thousands of dollars on products and services when you can do it yourself with a good sealant like a $25 Menzerna Powerlock (my favorite) or Sonax Polymer Net Shield and an hour of your time.

Since your vehicle is new, I would wait until your not satisfied with your paintwork before performing paint correction and spending copious amount of money on "ceramic" coatings. Ceramic is a marketing term most of these coatings advertise. Chemically, it is similar but won't coat your vehicle with a layer of ceramic glass you normally see with your naked eyes.

I bet if you place a vehicle with an expensive coating to one with a good quality wax or sealant, you would not be able to tell the difference.

I have seen worse where the vehicle is coated with paint protection film (PPF) like 3M or XPel or etc and apply ceramic coating ON TOP of the PPF.

It's a money grab, but hey, it sells.
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I am a detailing nut and have a plethora of products and tools. I put a ceramic coating on my wife's SUV late last summer at the end of a 4-day detail. It looks fantastic and repels water very well. Although I still have 80% of the bottle left and my variable cost of putting it on the M4 would be $0, I didn't then, and still don't plan to do so. I just don't see the need.

You see, the only point of having a coating is to have a "set it and forget it" product. Once you install it, then for the life of it, any other product you put on top will affect its intended performance (water repellency, gloss, static charge etc.) which may or may not be a bad thing, but it can make the coating unnecessary IMO. You are stuck in the coating manufacturer's ecosystem for their sacrificial SiO2 layer an approved soap, rinseless wash, or QD. On my wife's SUV, that is fine as it is large and cumbersome to detail so the sped-up wash process made possible by the coating works well.

I for one, love detailing enough that the twice weekly detail on my car is better served by the other products in my ever-growing collection and the car's relatively smaller size makes it quick to detail regardless.

You can decide which direction you want to proceed in.
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