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      07-18-2013, 04:47 AM   #45
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I know what he means - I think when you are really loading the chassis up laterally on smoothly-surfaced but undulating roads, you do get the sense of a little squidge or vagueness from the rear. I actually decided to increase my tyre pressures a few psi and found this improved that feeling without any obvious loss of grip for hard road driving (might be a different issue on track), but suspect it is in part tyre characteristic and part bushings.
I've noticed this behavior as well (that little squidginess/softness from the rear when loading it up hard laterally) and I was wondering if there was something wrong with my car because the early batch of reviews didn't really mention it. Now both Chris Harris and Evo have commented on it (as have people on this forum) so I'm a bit relieved to find out that "they all do that sir".

I was wondering about upping the rear tyre pressure and it's good to know that people think it helps a bit - will try it this weekend I think if I can find the time.
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      07-18-2013, 04:48 AM   #46
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Good review but useless. We cant get either of these cars in the US.
Just because you can't get either car, doesn't make a review useless.
Jeez.
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      07-18-2013, 05:08 AM   #47
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The reviewer is a win due to Slayer t shirt.

Any metal heads in here??
Yep, massive Thrash/Death/Black metaller here :-) Although I'm not sure this is a proper Slayer t-shirt he's wearing. Looks like it says "The Slayer" using Slayer's logo typeface.

So, I'm not sure he is really a fan of Slayer or he's just wearing something he found trendy but doesn't know much about :-) Hope it's the former though!

There has been some dumb celebrities like Beckham and Lohan wearing Exodus and Maiden shirts where I'm sure they don't a fucking clue what this is all about. Their stylist just told them to wear it suppose :-)
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      07-18-2013, 05:45 AM   #48
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For clarification; It's a Ken Block Tire Slayer T-Shirt.. Oh, the video wasn't bad either! (Love my M135i dearly!)
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      07-18-2013, 05:58 AM   #49
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I was wondering about upping the rear tyre pressure and it's good to know that people think it helps a bit - will try it this weekend I think if I can find the time.
Higher pressure will make the tyres more responsive, which is good for the handling. It will however reduce the surface contact area, and thus less grip. If you are running wider rear tyres than front tyres, that is pretty much a good thing, to take out the inherent understeer you get from the unbalanced wheel set.
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For clarification; It's a Ken Block Tire Slayer T-Shirt.. Oh, the video wasn't bad either! (Love my M135i dearly!)
Oh, yeah - you're right. Thanks for pointing that out.

Still, Mr. Harris should check out the band
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Interesting that he recommends the 8speed auto. Has Harris' ever gone in depth about dual clutch vs the 8speed autos? In the video he calls the auto smoother, but is that all there is to it. I'd be interested in his thought about upshifts/downshifts and how the overall control compares between the two. I've read a lot of good things about the 8 speed autos, but if they're that good and that close to dual clutch well it kind of makes me want to go back to manual.

RWD seems to be the saving grace for the BMW. I was wondering if the CLS/a45 though awd might still feel/drive like a fwd car at times, but no mention of that. And interesting that he calls the 135i more torquey around town, doesnt result in the merc feeling laggy. From other threads, that was a concern about the mercs powerband.
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      07-18-2013, 08:17 AM   #52
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if you're going to put an M badge on it
would it kill them to add an LSD?
I mean the 335is had an lsd no?
otherwise what makes this M worthy?
slightly lower suspension?
different wheels?
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The A45 seats are very nice and the interior is more unique and "special" feeling, but I must be on crack coz I prefer the M135i interior. The A45 seems like its trying a little too hard and I can't get over the screen that seems tacky and like an afterthought.

But each to their own and I know I seem to be in the minority!
I feel the same.
The whole dash is outdated, no angles, no imagination. I don't like anything on that car, inside out. Too kitschy...
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      07-18-2013, 09:26 AM   #54
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if you're going to put an M badge on it
would it kill them to add an LSD?
I mean the 335is had an lsd no?
otherwise what makes this M worthy?
slightly lower suspension?
different wheels?
Don't think the 335is had a LSD. I think BMW is still reserving that for actual M cars.
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      07-18-2013, 10:01 AM   #55
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Chris Harris is the man! He is one of the best automobile journalists out there. Love his reviews!
The monkey is #1 for me, especially for all the funny terms he comes up with during the reiviews!

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Henry Catchpole is quite good.

Also Steve Sutcliffe as well.
What a gentleman, his calmness during the reviews makes it very easy to appreciate his skills and talent! For that i rank him #2

(i dont know who Henry is, might have to check his reviews)

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Chris Harris is by far the best automotive journalist.

Second would be Micah Muzio or Carlos Lago.
#3 for me is Carlos Lago! a rising talent !


Back on topic:
I like the M135i (but hate the headlight just as much),
but i have to admit, the A45 is one crazy $*n of a &!%c# of a car!
..would buy..
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      07-18-2013, 10:54 AM   #56
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Don't think the 335is had a LSD. I think BMW is still reserving that for actual M cars.
Not anymore. Details later today
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      07-18-2013, 12:31 PM   #57
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Don't think the 335is had a LSD. I think BMW is still reserving that for actual M cars.
Not anymore. Details later today
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      07-18-2013, 12:39 PM   #58
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Not anymore. Details later today
Wait... what?
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M2 will be the true rival for the A45.
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      07-18-2013, 01:14 PM   #60
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It might be better then the last 1 series or even E36. However, E46 did not use cheap feeling hard plastic in the interior and is on higher level then even F30.


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I think the interior material quality is good compared to previous generations of small BMWs (1-series, E36 and E46 Compact).
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This leaves me a bit worried with the M235i vs CLA45 AMG here in the USA.

The CLA 45 AMG starts at 47.5k I believe with no options (DCT standard). For the M235i to be a bargain it should stay around 41-42K range with no options.
IMO CLA 45 AMG should be compared against the M2, not the M235i. The 1M started at around $47K, so I expect the M2 to start at least at that price point as well. I personally would not consider the CLA 45 AMG simply because I don't want AWD.

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Chris Harris is by far the best automotive journalist.

Second would be Micah Muzio or Carlos Lago.
My clear #1 is Harry Metcalfe. Sure he doesn't drive like Chris Harris or Steve Sutcliffe, and he seems to review super or high-end cars exclusively, but I always find his views and insights very interesting. It says a lot when I find his videos on some cars I have absolutely no interests in interesting and watching them all the way through.

I rate Chris Harris, Steve Sutcliffe, and Carlos Lago roughly the same. They would be my #2.

I enjoy Arthur St. Antoine’s Epic Drives a lot as well.
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if you're going to put an M badge on it
would it kill them to add an LSD?
I mean the 335is had an lsd no?
otherwise what makes this M worthy?
slightly lower suspension?
different wheels?
335iS does not have an LSD. The 325iS E30 did though.
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      07-18-2013, 02:32 PM   #63
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Not anymore. Details later today
Any update on this? Curiosity piqued...
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      07-18-2013, 02:59 PM   #64
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Someone really needs to put the AMG against a well used, low mileage and stock 1M (there are plenty) with recorded data and on track impressions. Someone like a serious German or UK auto magazine, would be best if it includes a dyno session of both cars to see what exactly is different.

I bet they have similar power output in reality, 1M has much more torque and 1M would come on top both as driver preferance and lap times (this will also depend on type of track); but I have to say that I would be very surprised if a 1M can get very close to this AMG in terms of straightline acceleration. Maybe it could catch and pass the Merc around (1M's) third gear speeds though.

Obviously the AMG is the more contemporary design with better versatility and easier to use or speed up but I would never believe that a 4wd AMG with a small engine big turbo mated to auto box configuration can deliver half the fun or thrills of 1M. Next M2, for its own sake, should keep its predecessor in mind as a benchmark to better or at least equal, not these marketing attacks from Mercedes or Audi.

There are passionate people in M Division, I hope they will be given another chance to deliver something special with the M2 and not just an answer to this AMG or coming RS3.
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Oh, yeah - you're right. Thanks for pointing that out.

Still, Mr. Harris should check out the band
RIP Jeff Hanneman though :-(
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      07-18-2013, 03:42 PM   #66
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I think that was (as usual) a very balanced review from Chris Harris. For the daily driving and occasional track day that I do, the Mlite suits me perfectly. It's too early to say, but it looks like I'd pay around $AUD20k more for the A45 than what I paid for the Mlite, and I don't perceive the additional value from these tests, or what I've read
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