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      04-19-2012, 11:10 AM   #45
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Interesting- has anyone ever had BMW refuse to do work because they have detected a software mod on the ECU?
that's a good question....!!
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      05-10-2012, 02:53 AM   #46
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just compared some part numbers that are relevant for a tune and cant find any difference to a 118i (http://www.realoem.com/bmw/)

intake valve
116i: 11347585901 - 118i 11347585901

camshaft
116: 11377591483 - 118i: 11377591483

clutch
116i: 21207625147 118i: 21207625147

gearbox
116i: 23007633986 118i: 23007633986

intercooler
116i: 17517600530 118i: 17517600530

turbo
116i: 11627633925 118i: 11627633925

but there are different parts used for the (pre-)silencer

anyone tuned so far?
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      05-17-2012, 04:11 AM   #47
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anyone tuned so far?
I am going to install the Hartge Tuning Box in the next few days, to run some tests. Will keep you posted in a relevant thread.
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      05-17-2012, 09:24 AM   #48
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I am going to install the Hartge Tuning Box in the next few days, to run some tests. Will keep you posted in a relevant thread.
Nice! Im intrerested as well. Let us know your impressions.
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      05-22-2012, 12:35 PM   #49
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any news?
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      05-23-2012, 02:09 AM   #50
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Due to heavy work schedule I did not have the time yet to install it. If everything goes as planned, I will install it this afternoon...otherwise on Friday. I will keep you posted!
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      05-23-2012, 05:25 AM   #51
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We look forward, only please with photos
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      05-23-2012, 05:28 AM   #52
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Would be nice to know what the difference is and how much it cost you
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      05-23-2012, 06:46 AM   #53
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We look forward, only please with photos
I will try...at least to get some, since probably I will not be present in the process of installation.

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Would be nice to know what the difference is and how much it cost you
I will not pay anything, I am just installing the box for a week or so to run some comparison tests and in general have an idea of the performance increase. It is the 1st box to be installed (as far as i know) apart from the Hartge demo cars and we want to test it. The Hartge dealer in Greece is a friend of mine, so I am letting my car to be a guinea pig!! I know the RRP in Germany (and most European countries) is 1.530 Euro + VAT.
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      05-28-2012, 09:29 AM   #54
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I installed the box on Friday and over the weekend I had the chance to do around 200 miles. The increase in power is noticable, but only on full throttle and high speeds. From standstil to 120 km/h, the power increase is not very noticable. However, when I accelerated from 60 km/h to 200 km/h, the increased power is noticable after 120 km/h (approximately) when you feel the car pulling faster and more eagerly.

It reminded me a lot of how the 118i drives...the power difference is more noticable on higher speeds. I did not notice any increase on consumption. I did not run any comparison tests, since I could not get hold of a normal 116i with auto box. As a summary I would say (just a feel, I do not have any numbers to back it up) that it was like driving a 118i.

The installation is very easy. There is a harness from the control box (with one plug to the box) to 5 different sensors (turbo pressure, camshaft position etc.) plus a cable to power supply and a cable for grounding. All in all it takes about 45' for a proper intallation.

Tonight I will post a few pics.
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Here are some pics, as promised.


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Here you can see the wires for power and grounding:

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Here you can see the box, placed (with adhesive tape) on top of the fuse box, so once installed and the cover is back, nothing is visible:
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      05-29-2012, 05:11 AM   #56
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Hi Fanis, How many sensors to connect and what are they? I noticed different piggyback connect to different number of sensors, for Swiss, it is 2, TMC is 3 and Hartge is 5?

I wonder what would be the difference? they all have similar claimed max output
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      05-29-2012, 05:35 AM   #57
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Hi Fanis,

Γεια σου Φιλε.

Have you looked this : http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/CarProducts.aspx
It seems to be the same installation method and it is cheapest.

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      05-29-2012, 05:51 AM   #58
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if one worries abt losing warranty...do it after two years perhaps?
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      05-29-2012, 07:13 AM   #59
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Hi Fanis, How many sensors to connect and what are they? I noticed different piggyback connect to different number of sensors, for Swiss, it is 2, TMC is 3 and Hartge is 5?
There are 5 sensors and (if I remember correctly) are:

1. Boost Pressure 1
2. Boost Pressure 2
3. MAF
4. Camshaft Sensor
5. Turbo Sensor

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Hi Fanis,

Γεια σου Φιλε.

Have you looked this : http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/CarProducts.aspx
It seems to be the same installation method and it is cheapest.

Γειά σου φίλε!

I am not sure if it is the same, as it seems to have only 2 connectors for the sensors. Also, if I ever consider doing a tuning, I would go only with a reputable and well-known BMW tuner, like AC Schnitzer, Hartge, Kelleners, Hamman. I would not trust anyone else.
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Thanks Fanis, do you mind to send me photos or scan of the installation manual, I like to know more about the connections.
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      05-29-2012, 07:54 AM   #61
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Thanks Fanis, do you mind to send me photos or scan of the installation manual, I like to know more about the connections.
I do not mind, but I do NOT have the manual, as I have not bought the Tuning Box (just installed it for a week to test it). However, it does not say antyhting more, just photos of the connections and what each connection is (for example it says: ''Turbo Pressure 1'')
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I've searched the net for differences between 116i and 118i, engine wise, and haven't found any other than the exhaust silencer.

There is a chip tuning 118i to 204-210 HP.
Theoretically we can get the same result for 116i right?

Anyone tested it?

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I installed the box on Friday and over the weekend I had the chance to do around 200 miles. The increase in power is noticable, but only on full throttle and high speeds. From standstil to 120 km/h, the power increase is not very noticable. However, when I accelerated from 60 km/h to 200 km/h, the increased power is noticable after 120 km/h (approximately) when you feel the car pulling faster and more eagerly.

It reminded me a lot of how the 118i drives...the power difference is more noticable on higher speeds. I did not notice any increase on consumption. I did not run any comparison tests, since I could not get hold of a normal 116i with auto box. As a summary I would say (just a feel, I do not have any numbers to back it up) that it was like driving a 118i.

The installation is very easy. There is a harness from the control box (with one plug to the box) to 5 different sensors (turbo pressure, camshaft position etc.) plus a cable to power supply and a cable for grounding. All in all it takes about 45' for a proper intallation.

Tonight I will post a few pics.
Thanks for the feedback Fanis! This power/response increase you described, is it noticable on all driving modes eco pro, comfort, sport,+ ?
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      06-02-2012, 02:32 AM   #64
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Thanks for the feedback Fanis! This power/response increase you described, is it noticable on all driving modes eco pro, comfort, sport,+ ?
Yes, on all a driving modes. But it is more prominent on the Sport mode.
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Reputable tuners offer warranty too, this is also the reason for a higher price
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Anybody knows the answer for why there are tuning differences in the 116i and 118i?
EVO-TECH has no answers for me yet, its been a week.
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