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      09-09-2019, 04:50 PM   #793
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I feel that way about most mid engine cars. Even the F8 gets called out for wearing a shawl around its shoulders.

The OG NSX looks like a Ford F-150 in side profile. The extremely cab forward position of most mid engines cars is just not attractive.

Perhaps this explains why I'd have an AM or a 550/575 over any mid engine car.

I'm also in that boat. I've always preferred the proportions of front engine/rear drive cars to that of mid engine cars.
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The rear pedestal wing is chintzy. Sure, it creates useful downforce, but it cheapens the look of the car. The lines are better without the wing. The body colored intake duct covers clean up the side profile. A set of properly offset wheels/tires will greatly enhance the overall look.
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It's like the last 3rd of the car is tacked on, like it doesn't belong to the front third. Staggered how much this has been accepted.
I have a feeling that this is because the car was designed in the z06 configuration and then they started removing things to make the bargain car. Wait until the higher performance trims come out and we'll see how everything comes together then.
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Let's see.

GM Engineers or random person on the internet using a pixelated image.

Yes of course, the GM engineers are just making stuff up.


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      09-11-2019, 03:16 PM   #797
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Shrug, be snarky, whatever you feel like. Essentially you are saying that the GM Engineers are lying about something that can objectively be proven true or false.
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      09-11-2019, 03:51 PM   #798
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Shrug, be snarky, whatever you feel like. Essentially you are saying that the GM Engineers are lying about something that can objectively be proven true or false.


You can clearly see the centerline of the transmission and it's input shaft sits ABOVE the flanges of the half shafts of the diff on the transaxle. Unlike the C7 transaxle where the diff sits behind the transmission, the entire center line is lined up with the center of the flywheel. So ANYONE intimating that the LT2 sits lower in a car than the LT1 is, yes...

LYING.

If your source that says the LT2 sits lower than the LT1 is the chief engineer of the Corvette, Tadge Juechter, then that's an unequivocal YES. Not that he "lies," but you have to read between the lines in everything he says, because he's an active spokesperson for the Corvette program and frankly, parses everything he says. If you're active on the Corvette Forum, he actually has a "Ask Tadge" forum and while he did not have to participate, he does, and the more you read the more you realize that everything he says to the public is designed to be said to the public, and most of the time certain detail is omitted in the way he phrases it so that there's enough ambiguity that you can't call him out for an out-right lie.

A statement such as "the new LT2 in the C8 has a lower center of gravity than the LT1" has a crucial detail omitted.

Which LT1 in which car.

If you don't do your own research, and understand how things work, you can easily read that to imply the LT2 sits lower than the LT1 IN THE CORVETTE C7. But that's not what he said. The LT2 sits lower than the LT1. Without implication, that can mean the LT2 sits lower than all LT1, or sits lower than the LT1 in the CAMARO. Which it does.

Based on the information I've provided, the fact that the dry-sump equipped LT1 in the C7 sits on the same plane as the transaxle and has the exhaust manifolds yield DOWN rather than up, do you REALLY think that the LT2 in the C8 sits much lower than the LT1 in the C7? And if you do, is that purely based on TJ's saying that it does, without implying that it's the LT1 in the C7? Because the CENTERLINE of the output half shafts on the C8 already sits 1" higher than the centerline of the output half shafts on the C7 (the rear tires are 2" taller in diameter in the C8), and the flywheel on the LT2 in the C8 would sit another 2" higher than that based on the diagram of the DCT transaxle.

So you tell me how it is possible that the LT2, which has basically the same block, but one more cam shaft, and an exhaust that routes UP instead of down, has a lower center of gravity than the LT1 as equipped in the C7.

The ONLY thing I will concede, is I've actually never read where TJ or any of the engineers imply that the LT2 in the C8 has 2" lower center of gravity than the LT1 in the C7. I don't know if the statement is as cut and dry as "LT2 sits 2" lower than the LT1" or if they implied that the actual center of gravity in the C8 is lower by a couple of inches over the C7 (entirely possible as a package).

All I know is it's highly unlikely that the actual LT2's center of gravity as mounted in the C8 is actually several inches LOWER than the LT1's center of gravity as mounted in the C7. If you use the main crank pulley as where the centerline of the crank shaft is, and by relation where it mates and mounts up to the DCT transaxles are, by comparison the LT2 can't POSSIBLY mount lower on the C8 chassis than the LT1 in the C7.

LT2:


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      09-11-2019, 04:36 PM   #799
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You used a lot of words to say, "This is what I think and I can't prove any of it because I don't have measurements, scales, or any objective data to back me up."
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C7 owners are mad about the C8.
Corvette owners are the absolute WORST anytime a new generation drops. The C8 is no exception.

It will most likely be superior in any comparable way, outside of having a manual transmission and being able to put a dog in the cargo area, to a comparable C7.

Suggesting that GM engineers are lying about the car, which easily reasonable given the layout of the new chassis is ridiculous.
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      09-12-2019, 04:16 AM   #802
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Corvette owners are the absolute WORST anytime a new generation drops. The C8 is no exception.

It will most likely be superior in any comparable way, outside of having a manual transmission and being able to put a dog in the cargo area, to a comparable C7.

Suggesting that GM engineers are lying about the car, which easily reasonable given the layout of the new chassis is ridiculous.
It's the truth...I have been around CF long enough to see that. Since the C5 was out...every new release was met with people nitpicking the smallest of details. But eventually they move on and buy the next one anyway.

I know because even I'm guilty.
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You can clearly see the centerline of the transmission and it's input shaft sits ABOVE the flanges of the half shafts of the diff on the transaxle.
No, you can't clearly see that at all. From a 3/4 perspective, as pictured, it's not at all clear how those centerlines line up.

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So you tell me how it is possible that the LT2, which has basically the same block, but one more cam shaft, and an exhaust that routes UP instead of down, has a lower center of gravity than the LT1 as equipped in the C7.
The claim is not the engine itself has a lower center of gravity. The claim is that the engine is able to be mounted lower (because of the standard dry sump), creating a lower center of gravity in the car.
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No, you can't clearly see that at all. From a 3/4 perspective, as pictured, it's not at all clear how those centerlines line up.



The claim is not the engine itself has a lower center of gravity. The claim is that the engine is able to be mounted lower (because of the standard dry sump), creating a lower center of gravity in the car.
I just caught that he said the LT2 has one more camshaft than the LT1. That whole post reeks of desperation and insecurity.
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C7 owners are mad about the C8.
Only the idiots get mad about evolution. Also, I like the idiots still asking C8 $ for their C7.
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I wonít be buying a 2020 Z51 but I very well might jump on this.....
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/chevro...-ar186406.html
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Iím happy with my 2LT Stingray. The 2LT C8 is a nice upgrade over it. I donít think I need a Z06 to make me happy.
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Iím happy with my 2LT Stingray. The 2LT C8 is a nice upgrade over it. I donít think I need a Z06 to make me happy.
My current C6 makes more then the C8 Z51 does, itís hard to go backwards.
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My current C6 makes more then the C8 Z51 does, itís hard to go backwards.
Understand. My car is not modified.
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My current C6 makes more then the C8 Z51 does, it’s hard to go backwards.
Till you are in the interior of the C7 or C8 long enough. Then it is easy.

I've owned a bolt-on C6 Z51, a modded C6Z & a 600+ WHP C5. If I get another Vette, it has to be a C7 or C8. (Would love a 67 Vert with an LS over all of them, but we are talking $$$$$ now)
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I wonít be buying a 2020 Z51 but I very well might jump on this.....
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/chevro...-ar186406.html
2.7 0-60? Sign me up! Because the low 3s 0-60 in my Hellcat just isn't enough
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It will most likely be superior in any comparable way, outside of having a manual transmission and being able to put a dog in the cargo area, to a comparable C7.
Every manufacturer says that about every model change. Every fan of the new model says the same. It's not always true.

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Suggesting that GM engineers are lying about the car, which easily reasonable given the layout of the new chassis is ridiculous.
And manufacturers never lie? And it couldn't simply be as already said that they misrepresent the situation, or are wrong, rather than lying?

Blindly believing anything a manufacturers says is very ridiculous.
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