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      07-24-2019, 01:20 AM   #111
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BMW's ranking will change very soon.
Do you think for the better or for worse?
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We can live with 3rd
If you ain't first, you're last

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Heck, that doesn't make any sense at all.... You can be second, you can be third, you can be fourth, you can even be fifth....
"If you're not FIRST... you're LAST "

You'd need to see the movie to truly understand

poor Cal Naughton Jr. - I guess second isn't good enough. Or is it?

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BMW's ranking will change very soon.
Do you think for the better or for worse?
If they truly botch up this G8X, it'll be for the worst. There's a lot at stake with that car.
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Well. I won't be a repeat customer for sure. The design direction has really turned me off. Moving on.
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If they truly botch up this G8X, it'll be for the worst. There's a lot at stake with that car.
What is your definition of botching up the G8x?
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If they truly botch up this G8X, it'll be for the worst. There's a lot at stake with that car.
What is your definition of botching up the G8x?
  • Not offering an MT (..which I think they will)
  • Slighting MT buyers by offering less HP than the other models
  • Butchering the front end
  • Forcing packages and not offering stripper cars
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If they truly botch up this G8X, it'll be for the worst. There's a lot at stake with that car.
Nah. BMW isn't Porsche. It's all about CUV/SUV's now and as long at they are appealing the company is in a good place.
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I am very surprised that Mercedes is so high. I dont really think of them as a brand with a passionate following. I thought for sure that BMW and Porsche would be way ahead of Mercedes.
population getting older maybe the reason.
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Lexus is #1??? I hated my IS350 F Sport.
My worst car ever was my GS430. Could not wait for that lease to end.
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My worst car ever was my GS430. Could not wait for that lease to end.
I was 2 years into my lease and had had enough.
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Gentlemen (and ladies), have you considered about what the survey is really saying, bottomline? None of the brands -- not a single one -- could retain more than 40-some-odd percent of its prior buyers. More than half go looking for something else. This and the other Bimmer board certainly reflect that, too. The difference with a Lexus, MB or Bimmer is you pay more -- probably a lot more -- for 43% satisfaction.
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My worst car ever was my GS430. Could not wait for that lease to end.
I was 2 years into my lease and had had enough.
Curious as to what made you despise the Lexus after 2 short years?
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Curious as to what made you despise the Lexus after 2 short years?
Numerous things actually:

1) Slow.
2) Bad gas mileage.
3) Terrible infotainment design.
4) The design of the car did NOT grow on me. I never got used to the styling and grew to not like it at all.
5) No leather.
6) No driver memory seat.
7) No analog speedometer.
8) Did I mention it was slow?

Only good thing I liked and miss were the A/C seats.
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BMW does need to kind of step it up and offer real cooled seats on the 3 series.
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      08-01-2019, 08:38 AM   #125
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Not really surprised by these results.
I'm not surprised at Jaguar, but Maserati ranking so high is surprising.
We are not talking about buying a Maserati on a whim, for whatever reason. We are talking about buying a second one, knowing what to expect!
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Loyalty doesn't require driving dynamics. As long as car is hassle free, rides nice, looks good and has a good name value, people will come back to it. I think Lexus and MB does that very well.
Now for BMW, it's more of a "maniac" crowd than "loyal". Typical so called BMW "loyalist" admires Porsche or higher performance brands and tend move on as soon as their status elevates. But Lexus and MB loyalist really don't give a shit about other cars, they will just stick to their S, E class or LX,EX forever.
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