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Unfortunately 2001 740 is so ridiculously unreliable that it's not even worth owning, besides just looking at it sitting pretty.
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Anybody else feel that the past two generations of 7-series never recaptured the glory of the E38 and dare I say...E65?

I know the Bangle model was shocking to say the least, but in hindsight it was very innovative and after the LCI I found it to be quite stunning. The 7er seems to have fallen behind the S-class ever since.
Disagree. The E65 was and still hideous. I know it was the best selling 7er of all time but that car was just an eye sore.
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100% agree, S-Class has been very far ahead for a while now. The S-Class has the elegant design inside and out that the 7-series lacks (especially with the new front end, which doesn't work as BMW is trying to mix two different eras of design language onto one car), and just feels more special and different from the other Mercedes. A new S-Class is coming out next year I believe and it will likely further the gap between the two. BMW just needs to do something different with the 7-series, the current formula just doesn't seem to make it a better car than the rest of the class, and clearly it isn't the handling king it once was so BMW needs to refocus their efforts.
This generation has always felt like a lazy effort overall. It's certainly a good car and improved over its predecessor, but it's lacking that X factor which the Merc brings to the table. I still remember revealing spy shots of this car being panned on this forum. It really doesn't look much different from the F01 generation or the smaller 5-series. Interior design is also quite boring. The tech and materials/build quality are first class, but that's not enough when the Merc just "feels" more special overall.

They had to do something radical with the LCI because nobody really paid any attention to this generation. At least they got people talking about it now. The 7er is really the weak spot in BMW's portfolio, as the rest of their vehicles are among the best in their respective segments.
G11 7er rides and drives much better than current and out going S Class.

The Mercedes fanboy is strong around here.
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Unfortunately 2001 740 is so ridiculously unreliable that it's not even worth owning, besides just looking at it sitting pretty.
Perhaps but it can be driven via remote while you hide in the backseat protected from gunfire!!

You need one of these for the controller..
LOL...Decades ahead of Tesla et al.
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100% agree, S-Class has been very far ahead for a while now. The S-Class has the elegant design inside and out that the 7-series lacks (especially with the new front end, which doesn't work as BMW is trying to mix two different eras of design language onto one car), and just feels more special and different from the other Mercedes. A new S-Class is coming out next year I believe and it will likely further the gap between the two. BMW just needs to do something different with the 7-series, the current formula just doesn't seem to make it a better car than the rest of the class, and clearly it isn't the handling king it once was so BMW needs to refocus their efforts.
This generation has always felt like a lazy effort overall. It's certainly a good car and improved over its predecessor, but it's lacking that X factor which the Merc brings to the table. I still remember revealing spy shots of this car being panned on this forum. It really doesn't look much different from the F01 generation or the smaller 5-series. Interior design is also quite boring. The tech and materials/build quality are first class, but that's not enough when the Merc just "feels" more special overall.

They had to do something radical with the LCI because nobody really paid any attention to this generation. At least they got people talking about it now. The 7er is really the weak spot in BMW's portfolio, as the rest of their vehicles are among the best in their respective segments.
G11 7er rides and drives much better than current and out going S Class.

The Mercedes fanboy is strong around here.
We're allowed to like vehicles from other brands without being labeled fanboys with a negative connotation by posters who can't handle criticism of certain vehicles.

And no where did we say the vehicle doesn't drive better than the S-Class, we simply said we prefer the S-Class to the 7-Series when it comes to full-size luxury sedans for reasons which we specified in our posts.
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G11 7er rides and drives much better than current and out going S Class.

The Mercedes fanboy is strong around here.
Nobody here is a Merc fanboy, we just aren't BMW fanboys who turn a blind eye to their faults. Many people, both on forums and journalists, have echoed similar feelings about the G11. The S-class is the oldest vehicle in its segment yet is still always viewed as the de facto choice in the segment.
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Unfortunately 2001 740 is so ridiculously unreliable that it's not even worth owning, besides just looking at it sitting pretty.
unreliable compared to what. I think any E65 owner would beg to differ.
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Unfortunately 2001 740 is so ridiculously unreliable that it's not even worth owning, besides just looking at it sitting pretty.
unreliable compared to what. I think any E65 owner would beg to differ.
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I had it for two years and non stop something would break, check engine light, leaks etc

I bought a completed and restored project which was perfect and it was falling apart at every mile.

Not all of them are like that but 99%.

Can't speak on e65 they may be a car to best in terms of money vacuum
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I had it for two years and non stop something would break, check engine light, leaks etc

I bought a completed and restored project which was perfect and it was falling apart at every mile.

Not all of them are like that but 99%.

Can't speak on e65 they may be a car to best in terms of money vacuum
Man you had a bad example. I mean they are not cheap to maintain but mine with 130k on it ran like a champ.
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Unfortunately 2001 740 is so ridiculously unreliable that it's not even worth owning, besides just looking at it sitting pretty.
I had one over 5 years and zero issues, milage was 265k.
Nothing besides regular maintenance.
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Unfortunately 2001 740 is so ridiculously unreliable that it's not even worth owning, besides just looking at it sitting pretty.
I had one over 5 years and zero issues, milage was 265k.
Nothing besides regular maintenance.
Wow! I wish!

Glad to hear that mine was a bad apple
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I had it for two years and non stop something would break, check engine light, leaks etc

I bought a completed and restored project which was perfect and it was falling apart at every mile.

Not all of them are like that but 99%.

Can't speak on e65 they may be a car to best in terms of money vacuum
Man you had a bad example. I mean they are not cheap to maintain but mine with 130k on it ran like a champ.
May very well be, mine had engine redone and tranny, all paperwork in order. Who knows.
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Hey BMW are you listening ? Get rid of the hideous grill. The e38 is such a great design. So beautiful
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