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11-21-2012, 08:31 AM | #26 |
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Since this is the F20/F21 forum, it should be more appropriate to complain about the looks of an M6 than the F20/F21, our favourite car...
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Like all BMWs the F20 has slowly started growing on me. When I first saw an E82 I swore I'd never get one. Now look at me.
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11-21-2012, 08:39 AM | #28 |
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I really wish we got the F20/F21 in Canada. I think it would actually do very well here. If its priced competitively with the VW Golf it would do extremely well. I would love to add either an F20 or F21 128 xdrive with the 8 speed auto to my stable. I think it would make an excellent highway cruiser and would get easily 40+ mpg highway.
BMW should bring it over as an experiment to see how the NA market would react to it to expand it to the US. But since the Canadian market is smaller its less of a gamble. Hopefully once the free trade agreement between Canada and the EU is in place we'll start to see them because import taxes will be negligible. |
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Same here. BUT: I already drove a E87 120d for half a year back in 2004. Excellent chassis , superb roadholding/steering. Many of us now have to get used to the F20/21 headlamps/front. With the M package and a nice colour(I ordered Estoril Blue) it just looks good imo. Cheers Robin |
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11-21-2012, 11:44 AM | #32 |
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Out of curiosity, are the extreme taxes on the bigger engine cars only when you purchase one new, or does it also apply to used cars with bigger engines? I suspect it is an annual tax that is still high on older cars with bigger engines. If that is the case, wouldn't that make the resale value of used cars with bigger engines worse because people wouldn't want to pay the higher taxes?
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It's perhaps a bit ironic that BMW now feels the need to bring an F26 (2-series Gran Coupe) to market in order to appeal to people who think the F30 is too large of a platform for their needs and aren't buying into a BMW this generation. I wonder if these people would have purchased an F20 or F21 if it was available. Speaking for myself, that answer would be yes. Still, good news about the F26...
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It's exactly the same system in the Netherlands. Out of curiosity: Over here the tax was imposed to protect the local car industry (which has been non-existent for the pas 25 years), what was Norway's "excuse" ?
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There have been plenty of exuses, like cars being bad for the environment, but I think we all understand that the government simply wants more money.
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ok, thanks
By EU regulation this tax is even illegal, so they're now changing it to a tax based on CO2 emissions, carefully and slowly to make sure they won't make any less money out of it.. but at least this makes more sense for the environment than a tax based on the price of the car.
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I see, thanks for the info. I wonder how old a used car with a bigger engine would have to be for the taxes to be similar to that of a new car with a small engine. It makes me curious if cars with bigger engines that are 2-5 years old would potentially be more popular to buy than a brand new car with a smaller engine.
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Totally with you guys in spirit and feeling but got to say this:
A tax by definition does not need to (and usually doesn't) make sense...to the payer! History is governments create and re-define taxes according to their needs/plans/wishes. They need more money they will be more creative.
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Actually, the M135i is an amazing vehicle, ... comparable to the GTR. Never before we had access to this level of controlled power for this amount of money. Actually, the car doesn't have real weaknesses, and excels in domains that really matter. So bang for the buck is outstanding, just like refinement and efficiency while entirely practical as a daily driver. Love it!
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I wouldn't be too worried for in my case, I so very rarely would be able to take advantage of the extra nth degree of performance (assuming my driving skills are up to it, and that too isn't a foregone conclusion), but I would be able to enjoy the added creature comforts and gizmos comparatively often.
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