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      06-15-2013, 11:54 AM   #23
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The thing is: how will they ever find out? In Belgium there is a whole 'grey zone' considering chiptuning, it happens constantly and there is no possibility whatsoever to 'register' the change. Which is not a problem IMO the less money that goes to the state the better
They will find out when you get involved in an accident, and the police takes your car for checking. So in 90+ percent of all cases, they will never know.

Sometimes the government guys even surf around in car forums and see which cars they should for illegal upgrades next MOT.

BMW will also know if the engine management is tampered with, and they will deny warranty unless it is an official BMW product.
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      06-15-2013, 01:13 PM   #24
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They will find out when you get involved in an accident, and the police takes your car for checking.
Are you sure about that? I believe the insurance companies might check for tuning if they have a reason to suspect it, but I'm not so sure the police will do so on their own accord.

The only thing that has kept me from getting the Power Kit for my 120d, is that it is so expensive here in Norway. It's a lot cheaper in Germany, but it's a long drive (about 1100 km each way).
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      06-15-2013, 06:57 PM   #25
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Are you sure about that? I believe the insurance companies might check for tuning if they have a reason to suspect it, but I'm not so sure the police will do so on their own accord.
They will in some cases, but it is not standard procedure.
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      06-16-2013, 02:27 AM   #26
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Another main issue is how this is considered by the insurance companies in case of accident....
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      06-17-2013, 08:50 AM   #27
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M performance Power Kit for 125i

TBH I personally think that itís a complete rip off. I would have to pay around 1,200euro to receive the additional 20hp which is the original power of the engine? Is BMW scared that it will be faster than the 328i so they made it at the same power lvl? WTF? So what are they going to offer for the 328i? and how they are going to separate it from our engines? Iím really disappointed about this, I thought that the M chip would bring out the true potential of the engine Ė and not limit it again.
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      06-17-2013, 11:16 AM   #28
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Where did you find this document?

Also I don't think its the 328i they are worried about treading on its M135i. They claim that the modest 20hp increase has dropped the 0-60 by 0.5 secs (I'm sure most of that is due to the torque increase). The M135i is just over a second faster to 60mph than the standard 125i. Give it 40-50hp more with the weight difference to the M135i and it will be performing the same.
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      06-17-2013, 03:44 PM   #29
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Donít know if any of you already seen this, but here it is:

TBH I personally think that itís a complete rip off. I would have to pay around 1,200euro to receive the additional 20hp which is the original power of the engine? Is BMW scared that it will be faster than the 328i so they made it at the same power lvl? WTF? So what are they going to offer for the 328i? and how they are going to separate it from our engines? Iím really disappointed about this, I thought that the M chip would bring out the true potential of the engine Ė and not limit it again.
If it was priced at say 650 euros there would be plenty of takers and bmw would most likely do well out of it also. On the same note if it was 1200 euros and included the m p exhaust upgrade, again I think there would be plenty of takers.

At that price I'm out. Very disappointed.
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      06-17-2013, 04:25 PM   #30
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Wonder what the 'sound'-effect would be when one combines the power kit and the M Performance Exhaust.
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      06-18-2013, 01:35 AM   #31
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I can see the exhaust making good improvement on the sound but not the engine chipping.
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      06-18-2013, 03:10 AM   #32
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I can see the exhaust making good improvement on the sound but not the engine chipping.
look at the description (engine burbling)
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it would have been cool if they would have added a new traction mode where DSC off is combined with the sport-throttle mapping
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      06-18-2013, 03:22 AM   #34
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it would have been cool if they would have added a new traction mode where DSC off is combined with the sport-throttle mapping
Yes, please!
And the same way the Eco Pro mode has those blue "saved km" figures, the new DSC Off mode could have oil temperature in the display.

Not so much to ask for, is it?
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      06-18-2013, 12:37 PM   #35
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look at the description (engine burbling)
Yes I noticed that but don't believe that the engine tuning would make that much of a difference alone.
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      06-18-2013, 03:40 PM   #36
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Using the document supplied by Subnasty I door stepped/emailed my dealers parts dept and they came back with some prices!

I'm in the UK so bear that in mind.

The kit itself £750 +VAT
Labour to fit and code £217.50 +VAT

What they also said, because my car was manufactured within a month of the new ECU introduction they will need to stick it on a diagnostic machine to determine what type I have... £43.50 +VAT

Only in stock in Germany so 7-10 days to get to the dealer and payment upfront and non returnable.

Mmmmmmmmm

*VAT @ 20%
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      06-18-2013, 03:50 PM   #37
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that Labour cost seems very high... Also, if i understood correctly, they should be able to know what ECU you have through the VIN
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      06-18-2013, 04:08 PM   #38
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Yep, considering the document I have states that labour will be 0.5hrs for the older ECU and 0.25hrs for the newer (that doesnt include coding) that's a hell of a charge to leave a laptop on my seat!

I was mythed by the diagnostics for my ECU as well, I gave them my VIN.

It's all going in my return email!
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Yep, considering the document I have states that labour will be 0.5hrs for the older ECU and 0.25hrs for the newer (that doesnt include coding) that's a hell of a charge to leave a laptop on my seat!

I was mythed by the diagnostics for my ECU as well, I gave them my VIN.

It's all going in my return email!
Thanks for the update. Keep us posted.
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      06-19-2013, 03:26 AM   #40
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I am sure that the true increase is much higher than 20hp....as with most BMW Performance tunes...it is all about Marketing.
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      06-24-2013, 07:47 AM   #41
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someone should get the kit and put his car on the dyno before and after
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      06-24-2013, 08:08 AM   #42
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328i powerkit next please !
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The latest specs from BMW Australia state the 125i does 0-100 in 6.1

I wonder if that is as a result of launch control or something else has changed - what will it do to the time on this version - heading closer to mid 5sec there
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So I have to wonder what the differences between the *25i and *28i engine are to begin with? Is it strictly the ECU, or are there other differences such as exhaust? If just ECU, you have to wonder why the PPK didn't go the full way to 245 PS or whatever the exact specs of the *28i engine are. I suppose it all boils down to marketing. Dyno test may show that power is equal to a 328i (or 228i, once they are available).
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