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If nothing else, the M135i is continuing the tradition set by the 1M of providing some mighty fine bang for the buck. That such a relatively inexpensive car, to say nothing of it being a BMW, can run with the other cars noted on the list is a great testament. That BMW is finally offering, consistently, a class of vehicles that has a legitimate value proposition must be certain proof that the world is going to end on 12-21-12!
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I'm sorry but I have to say it. This type of marketing is very tasteless. But whatever.
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12-20-2012, 10:20 AM | #52 | |
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Despite PSS and adaptive suspension advantages on the test M135i there is still some difference between the two, you guys need to compare more data from the two tests, google it in German and more data pops up! What strikes me most is the two cars are underrated almost exactly the same percentage of hp and tq from BMW, the new test quotes M135i 340 ps and 493 nm crank dynoed by Sport Auto (BMW says, 320 and 450 respectively) while we all know now that stock 1Ms avarage dynoes are around 360 hp and 550 nm and usually a bit more (BMW says 340 ps and 450+50 nm). Also interesting is BMW says M135i quite lighter than the 1M but when Sport Auto weighed them opposite came out: 1513 kg for 1M vs 1520 kg for the hatch. 5th and 6th gear, in-gear acceleration times are .5 seconds faster for the 1M as the straight line accleration to all marks are similarly faster. This is due to more power but similar weight of 1M I guess (maybe tested M135i was too loaded, don't know the real reason yet). Also high speed lane change and slalom results favor 1M etc. Bottomline is there is some performance difference between a 1M and M135i but factor it to price difference the new hatch shines. It really is a great time and the car is the best super hatch, period. Would I change it to a 1M even if the numbers would be much better, no, never because I like the old school straight forward simplicity and roughness of the M car, not because it is much more performant than the new hatch which it isn't. But as I said earlier the new hatch would be the ideal second car for me in 5 door and 8 speed auto, especially if they fix the looks of the front end!
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Still there? Quite consistent fellow this guy.
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8:18 for the M135 is a really good time. The new Mini JCW GP claims an 8:23 lap time and that car costs $40K in the US!
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The heavier xdrive version will be slower in all but rather slippery conditions. The M135i should not have much problem getting the power down at the quite high speeds around the Nürburgring Nordschleife in dry conditions.
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Low weight is also factor here. More power will not let you corner faster and stop shorter, but low weight will.
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+1. So true.
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Yes and No, the Nissan GTR laps the Green Hell faster than a 911 Turbo, both have the same power (by the time the GTR was launched) and the 911 is actually lighter by ~200 kilos, chassis tuning is most important at times, hence my comment. I also think it is a respectable time but for the power and weight I really thought it would of been better.
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1M vs. M135i performance stats
Here is a link that might be interesting for some, not exactly a real comparison test done at the same time but rather bringing together stats of each by Sport Auto:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=789057
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