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      02-15-2021, 10:58 PM   #45
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Was interested in a G82 M4 CS potentially, are they really not making any CS models for the G80 gen?
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Wait so no M3/M4 CS? "Just" CSL?

Or did I just miss it here.
It is highly likely there will be CS models, but they are far enough off that nothing is known about them yet.
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As production of G82 M4 LCI starts in March 2024, production of G82 M4 ends before March 2024.

That's why I noted "Winter 2023: production of G82 M4 ends" (which could include February 2024). I added "Winter 2023/2024" to avoid confusion.

As the G82 M4 CSL production is expected to be very short, starting in July 2022, my guesstimate is that it will only be made in the second semester of 2022.

As commented before: as the G80 M3 LCI (facelift version) is scheduled to go into production already next year (July 2022) deliveries of the G80 M3 introduction version (pre-facelift version / early adopters) will be from March 2021 to June 2022.

I'm confused what this means...

"July 2021 - Nov 2022:
M2 hiatus;
G80 M3 and G82/G83 M4 = BMW M 'entry models';"

You said early pre-LCI models are in production until June 2022 so what are "entry models" from July 2021 to November 2022? Is there only going to be one LCI for the M3 taking place next year and that's it for the rest of it's life cycle? Do you expect a big change with the grill as early as July 2022? Thanks in advance.
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They are if they're shorter, more fun, and in Misano Blue
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      02-15-2021, 11:27 PM   #48
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I'm confused what this means...

"July 2021 - Nov 2022:
M2 hiatus;
G80 M3 and G82/G83 M4 = BMW M 'entry models';"
What he means is, because the M2 will be on hiatus, the M3/M4 will temporarily be the entry level BMW M models.

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Is there only going to be one LCI for the M3 taking place next year and that's it for the rest of it's life cycle?
The M3, like every (strictly, nearly every) other BMW gets a single LCI. For M models, this comes in conjunction with their non M sibling(s). In this case that’s the 3 Series. Where the M3 is special is that it forgoes a front end derived from it’s lesser sibling and instead inherits the one from the M4. As a result, it’s face only changes when the M4’s does, which in turn occurs with the 4 Series LCI. So while it looks like two LCIs if you always associate exterior changes with an LCI, in reality BMW does not count it as a second LCI for the M3.
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What he means is, because the M2 will be on hiatus, the M3/M4 will temporarily be the entry level BMW M models.



The M3, like every (strictly, nearly every) other BMW gets a single LCI. For M models, this comes in conjunction with their non M sibling(s). In this case that’s the 3 Series. Where the M3 is special is that it forgoes a front end derived from it’s lesser sibling and instead inherits the one from the M4. As a result, it’s face only changes when the M4’s does, which in turn occurs with the 4 Series LCI. So while it looks like two LCIs if you always associate exterior changes with an LCI, in reality BMW does not count it as a second LCI for the M3.
Gotcha that makes sense. So we can expect any major exterior changes with the 4/M4 LCI in 2024(even though they won't call it a second LCI). Thank you for the response!
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      02-16-2021, 12:50 AM   #51
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Wow, M3 LCI in just 1 year?? I wonder why.

Well ladies and gents, it appears that BMW's ICE/manual transmission days could come to an end by 2027-2029 when the G-chassis M2 and M3/4 finish production. I hope I'm wrong!
M3 has 2 LCI
One at the time as 3er
Another when there's M4 LCI
This. I feel for the LCI F80 buyers who had their cars' design replaced again the year after when the F82LCI was released. (https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ts-115054.html)

Lesson in all of this -> the 'optimum and final' G80 design will emerge with the G82 LCI as they now share front ends since the F8x generation (an unnecessarily limiting decision IMO by M that deviates from BMW's own strategy of further separating the 3er and 4er lines).

Having been burned by the F80 launch I decided to drop later into the M lifecycle and benefit from the earlier year production fast-fails. No surprise then I'm now driving a F87 CS and not waiting for a Year 1 G80.
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Small detail that makes me chuckle on that slide - all three M variants state they are for the racetrack. Yet, if you take any of them onto the track, you void your warranty. Go figure.
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According to this schedule, the G80 M3 LCI is coming out after just 1.5 years? An LCI has never come out that fast. How accurate is this? Why would anyone lease or buy an M3 this year if an LCI will be out by next Fall/Winter?
Think about the M2 back then, where they introduced LCI even after a year or so, nothing changed except the lights, dashboard cluster and thats it...then again a year later it moved already to the M2C....so it is unusual, but happend.
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Are they only doing a CSL? Is that going to be like M4 GTS levels of money? Was interested in a G82 M4 CS potentially, are they really not making any CS models for the G80 gen?
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The only chance for the G8X to get a mildly revised grille is when the S58 adapts the 48V system where belts are all removed and the engine accessories may get repositioned which warrants a front fascia update.

Be noted, the 48v talked about here is the ISG system (check Mercedes I6 and V8 48Vs), not the way too technologically inferior BSG system found from current B58 variants.

Could be the S59 engine to improve efficiency and fix turbo lag with electric boost, although to the vast majority fixing front end aesthetic is much more important.
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According to this schedule, the G80 M3 LCI is coming out after just 1.5 years? An LCI has never come out that fast. How accurate is this? Why would anyone lease or buy an M3 this year if an LCI will be out by next Fall/Winter?
The E36, E90 and the F80 M3 had their LCI after one model year of introduction. We will be fine.
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Be noted, the 48v talked about here is the ISG system (check Mercedes I6 and V8 48Vs), not the way too technologically inferior BSG system found from current B58 variants.
This is news to me. I hadn't seen any confirmation of BMW adopting an ISG system. Do you remember where you read/heard this?

Speaking of Mercedes ISG, there are rumors they'll begin using a 400V version of the system in some applications which would essentially evolve it from MHEV to HEV.
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Hmm, you are correct. However, this would be the quickest for an M3 I believe. I wonder if they will substantially change the grill.
Wishful thinking but I believe this is where BMW is going with their design language. I have a feeling this styling will work its way across the brand with many/most of the models.
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Is the G87 going to be built in Mexico as well? I keep my finger crossed that the LCI will solve the grill problem for the G80 and for a Canadian G81.
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Is the G87 going to be built in Mexico as well?
Affirmative (USA-spec G87 M2).

See dedicated threads:
  • here ("Second generation M2 (G87) scheduled for December 2022 (SOP)");
  • here ("Plant Preparation For Future G42 (next gen 2er coupe) & G87 (next gen M2)").
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M high performance?
Yes, that's just internal/marketing language for the vehicles we know simply as "M". So, M2, M3, X3 M, ... X6 M, M8.
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This is news to me. I hadn't seen any confirmation of BMW adopting an ISG system. Do you remember where you read/heard this?

Speaking of Mercedes ISG, there are rumors they'll begin using a 400V version of the system in some applications which would essentially evolve it from MHEV to HEV.
Klaus Fröhlich acknowledged back in early 2019 that BSG is pre mature and BMW will instead opt for integrated solution when introducing 48V. However, BMW ate its words, launching a bunch of new models last year with the very disapointing BSG 48Vs, including the newest B58.

ISG is the so called 2nd generation of 48V tech and will eventually be mass used as the best none plug-in hybrid option.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/01/30/b...e-48v-systems/
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Small detail that makes me chuckle on that slide - all three M variants state they are for the racetrack. Yet, if you take any of them onto the track, you void your warranty. Go figure.
Everywhere marketing says it's made for the track, so it would be false advertising, it's severely punished... that can't be right... They probably won't cover competitions or if the car is not stock, but occasional track use i can't see this being a possible reason...
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The only chance for the G8X to get a mildly revised grille is when the S58 adapts the 48V system where belts are all removed and the engine accessories may get repositioned which warrants a front fascia update.

Be noted, the 48v talked about here is the ISG system (check Mercedes I6 and V8 48Vs), not the way too technologically inferior BSG system found from current B58 variants.

Could be the S59 engine to improve efficiency and fix turbo lag with electric boost, although to the vast majority fixing front end aesthetic is much more important.
It still has a belt driven system connected to the motor/generator.
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