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      03-03-2021, 03:55 PM   #815
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Good catch.

My info states the engineering planning was for March SOP as late as December. Market conditions I guess?
Probably yes, should not be any technical barriers. Thanks for updating the list.

By the way, I'm getting a bit worried, if BMW will not do the official reveal of G26 during the next couple of weeks. Because all the info bits so far support revealing it in March, specificly early March. Why they revealed the unfinished iX already last November, when the SOP is July 2021, is only to create hype - when G26 still remains hiding with the same SOP and fully finished technology and design. It seems that electricity is making car makers to act illogical. Of course, if they will reveal also i4 at the same time with G26 ICE, they might want to hold it back, because i4's SOP is only in autumn.
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      03-03-2021, 10:01 PM   #816
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G81 production date added.
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      03-03-2021, 11:01 PM   #817
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G81 production date added.
So it’ll actually trail the G20/G21/G80 LCI by one four-month update interval. Oh well, it should go through the end of G21 production in 6/26 (just like the M4 convertible should outlast the M4 coupe, ending with the 4 Series convertible) which still gives it over three and a half years on the market.
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So it’ll actually trail the G20/G21/G80 LCI by one four-month update interval. Oh well, it should go through the end of G21 production in 6/26 (just like the M4 convertible should outlast the M4 coupe, ending with the 4 Series convertible) which still gives it over three and a half years on the market.
It is also new news that the wagon will be a series run not a limited production one off...
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      03-04-2021, 01:53 PM   #819
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It is also new news that the wagon will be a series run not a limited production one off...
Is it? I never expected a limited production vehicle. I don't think BMW has ever done a limited run in a bespoken body style. I might be wrong, but I can't think of one.
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Is it? I never expected a limited production vehicle. I don't think BMW has ever done a limited run in a bespoken body style. I might be wrong, but I can't think of one.
insider info at initial teaser... I believe but cannot find yet that SCOTT26 also posted something along these lines

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...23&postcount=8
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      03-04-2021, 02:14 PM   #821
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insider info at initial teaser... I believe but cannot find yet that SCOTT26 posted something along these lines

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...23&postcount=8
I missed that, but that's one prediction that I would have treated with skepticism.

It could boil down to hair splitting. The E61 M5 wasn't expressly limited, but they sold fewer than 1000 worldwide to my recollection. So, if you apply the same production cadence to the G81, you might end up with a similar total assuming roughly the same production window. However, that cadence isn't set in stone - it can no doubt be adjusted based on demand. I suspect that while the G81's MSRP will be similar to the E61 M5's, it'll be somewhat more popular due to AWD and perhaps a more friendly (if less exciting, subjectively) engine. If, so they'll be pumping them out of assembly a bit more often.
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I missed that, but that's one prediction that I would have treated with skepticism.
I put significant stock in it because it came along with the technical detail behind why the US market version is a tough sell
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      03-04-2021, 03:39 PM   #823
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I put significant stock in it because it came along with the technical detail behind why the US market version is a tough sell
He drops some useful info. Good guy for sure. If you're reading lemetier, thanks for your contribs.

But ynguldyn is the one to listen to when it comes to production vehicle info. A G81 is different from a CS or CSL or what have you. Sure, it's not going to be huge volume. But it's just not the type of vehicle you market as a "special" deal. Same reason you don't see these come in the final year or whatever (I was actually surprised it's trailing the LCI by even a few months - but I forgot to consider the fact that the G21 goes longer than the G20 which helps justify that). I mean if you go through the effort to create stampings for the fenders, rework all sorts of stuff (see the F81 conversions for how much needs to change), it doesn't make sense to only produce it for a short time.
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He drops some useful info. Good guy for sure. If you're reading lemetier, thanks for your contribs.

But ynguldyn is the one to listen to when it comes to production vehicle info. A G81 is different from a CS or CSL or what have you. Sure, it's not going to be huge volume. But it's just not the type of vehicle you market as a "special" deal. Same reason you don't see these come in the final year or whatever (I was actually surprised it's trailing the LCI by even a few months - but I forgot to consider the fact that the G21 goes longer than the G20 which helps justify that). I mean if you go through the effort to create stampings for the fenders, rework all sorts of stuff (see the F81 conversions for how much needs to change), it doesn't make sense to only produce it for a short time.
For sure..... I follow both closely when they post

I saw it as,
-at initial tease: plan was quick 1000 units for a marketing burst more for the press than satisfying consumer demand (the g81 actually went under @ynguldyn radar until after leaked)
-3 months later: legitimate demand higher than expected, expand to series production
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      03-05-2021, 03:14 PM   #825
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the g81 actually went under @ynguldyn radar until after leaked
Now that we know the SOP, I have an explanation of that: it was leaked _very_ early in its development cycle. If that hadn't happened, I would have broken the news some time in the second half of 2020, more than 2 years before SOP - which is pretty much on par with everything else I report here.

I suspect BMW was actually testing the waters at a point where the project didn't yet have a lot sunk costs and would've been easy to cancel. So yeah, the could have thought about a limited run at first but then the enthusiastic reception convinced them to make it into more than just a small experiment.
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-at initial tease: plan was quick 1000 units for a marketing burst more for the press than satisfying consumer demand (the g81 actually went under @ynguldyn radar until after leaked)
-3 months later: legitimate demand higher than expected, expand to series production
If a car garners interest, manufacturers become flexible about figures (2700 BMW E82 1M scheduled (2011) - 6309 cars built; 1600 Porsche 981 Cayman GT4 scheduled (2015) - Andreas Preuninger at a September 2015 Laguna Seca event: production increase to 2500/3000 cars; a Rennlist database reported ± 2350 cars for the US only).
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If a car garners interest, manufacturers become flexible about figures (2700 BMW E82 1M scheduled (2011) - 6309 cars built; 1600 Porsche 981 Cayman GT4 scheduled (2015) - Andreas Preuninger at a September 2015 Laguna Seca event: production increase to 2500/3000 cars; a Rennlist database reported ± 2350 cars for the US only).
Artemis,

Off hand do you happen to have the production numbers for the F87 M2? I remember seeing them here one day and have had trouble finding them.
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We now have the power output of iX M60.

Also added SOPs for the 5 series based Alpinas (those are non-US).
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We now have the power output of iX M60.
If true that likely means the difference in power between the M50 and M60 is small, and the difference in power between xDrive50 and M50 is zero.

I say this because, while I realize we don't have the numbers for the i4 yet, at this point it seems a forgone conclusion that the M50 model will employ the 523PS (515hp) setup that was previewed in the Concept i4 and which has been the subject of rumors going back years. And, it now appears that the iX xDrive50 will use that same setup, while the iX M60 gets less than 10% more power.

We don't know battery capacities, so those could still be further (more significant?) differentiators between these various new model names. Still, this is disappointing. With the M60 setup also headed for the G70 7 Series, I was hoping for more - 600hp at the very least to sort of pick up where the V12 left off (as the name M60 might imply). I suppose we'll have to wait for M70 or M80 or some-such for that.
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We don't know battery capacities, so those could still be further (more significant?) differentiators between these various new model names. Still, this is disappointing. With the M60 setup also headed for the G70 7 Series, I was hoping for more - 600hp at the very least to sort of pick up where the V12 left off (and also as the name M60 might imply). I suppose we'll have to wait for M70 or M80 or some-such for that.
It will be named iXs, not iX M60, and it will match M750Le power output. The i7 M60 will have 650hp.
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It will be named iXs, not iX M60, and it will match M750Le power output. The i7 M60 will have 650hp.
Thanks for your contribution. That name, if real, would make more sense, though not as much sense, I would suggest, as something like "xDrive55". I say that because, why do we need "s" in the mix if we are using numerics to distinguish all of the other models? So we'll see.

Regarding power output, matching the M50e PHEV drivetrain would seem to be arbitrary / coincidental. That is to say, okay, maybe they will have the same power output, but they won't have anything to do with one another since the iX is a BEV, not a PHEV.
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It will be named iXs, not iX M60, and it will match M750Le power output. The i7 M60 will have 650hp.
Right now I'm looking at a specific US-spec iX M60, which is explicitly named "iX M60" in the document. Are you suggesting that there's an even more recent change and the M60 name has been discarded?
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I say this because, while I realize we don't have the numbers for the i4 yet, at this point it seems a forgone conclusion that the M50 model will employ the 523PS (515hp) setup that was previewed in the Concept i4 and which has been the subject of rumors going back years. And, it now appears that the iX xDrive50 will use that same setup, while the iX M60 gets less than 10% more power.
I think this is common sense: just like we know from the model designation of a gas car what engine it has and its power output, the same should be true with BEVs: a BMW with "50" in its name and dual motors should produce the same power no matter which specific model it is.
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We don't know battery capacities, so those could still be further (more significant?) differentiators between these various new model names. Still, this is disappointing. With the M60 setup also headed for the G70 7 Series, I was hoping for more - 600hp at the very least to sort of pick up where the V12 left off (as the name M60 might imply). I suppose we'll have to wait for M70 or M80 or some-such for that.
I have some suspicion (not confirmed by anything, mind you) that G70 will have different powertrain hardware from G26 and I20.
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I think this is common sense: just like we know from the model designation of a gas car what engine it has and its power output, the same should be true with BEVs: a BMW with "50" in its name and dual motors should produce the same power no matter which specific model it is.
I agree with you on that - that's a good baseline rule.

I guess my point was, the "M" has tended to indicate a power increase: M40i models make more power than 40i models, M50i models made more power than 50i models when the two briefly coexisted (the 750i is an outlier since it would surely be an M750i if not for the unique M760i V12 model).

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I have some suspicion (not confirmed by anything, mind you) that G70 will have different powertrain hardware from G26 and I20.
That would be a good thing - they need to iterate quickly because it would appear that frequent incremental power increases are going to be the norm in the premium EV market. It makes sense - there are no regulatory concerns like there are when you want to make more power from an ICE. The new driving factor in power output is how it will impact range.
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Right now I'm looking at a specific US-spec iX M60, which is explicitly named "iX M60" in the document. Are you suggesting that there's an even more recent change and the M60 name has been discarded?
I have seen it in two different sources. One of them also mentioned the name iXs for the US model. It makes sense to me as the i7 M60 will have significantly more hp than the top iX.
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The official reveal of the all-new G26 i4 Gran Coupe is finally here:

https://bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1808569

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