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      12-08-2017, 11:00 AM   #1
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Infiniti green-lights Hi-Po hybrid Q60 based on 500hp "Project Black S" concept

Looks like Infiniti is investing in a halo sports car to take on the M4 / C63 / RS5 segment. Looks like an awesome contender!

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...mage=100594221

On the other hand, Nissan doesn't have ANY plans to update the 370z which I think is an absolute shame. Maybe they are looking to make Infiniti the performance / luxury brand and keep Nissan as the mass produced consumer brand. That being said, how does the GTR fit into all of this then?

Thoughts on both...
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      12-08-2017, 11:02 AM   #2
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I hope they fix the steering. I'm a lifelong Z guy and its a shame about the Z. They don't even have the Z in their lineup in commercials when they have all the models next to each other.
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The new Q60 is a flop. No one is driving the RS version here in NY. Infiniti will never compete with the M/amg/rs. Their driving dynamics are terrible and they quite can't figure out what the car should be. Only thing good is the engine. I hope they drop it in the next gen 370's.

I loved my G37s coupe but when I test drove the 400RS, only thing I felt was the acceleration and nothing more. Unless they make a new gen Z, kiss any aftermarket support for the Infiniti platform goodbye.
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Nothing they have made ever excited me.
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Exactly. At best the G35/37 was a softer Z car. They'll never build an M car competitor, even as that continues to mean less and less.
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I hope they fix the steering. I'm a lifelong Z guy and its a shame about the Z. They don't even have the Z in their lineup in commercials when they have all the models next to each other.
I agree, I actually enjoyed the steering in my G37 but found it horrible when they moved to the EPS in the Q models. I do believe that they actually switched back to hydraulic at a certain point, may want to look more into that. Regardless, fixed by a quick test drive

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The new Q60 is a flop. No one is driving the RS version here in NY. Infiniti will never compete with the M/amg/rs. Their driving dynamics are terrible and they quite can't figure out what the car should be. Only thing good is the engine. I hope they drop it in the next gen 370's.

I loved my G37s coupe but when I test drove the 400RS, only thing I felt was the acceleration and nothing more. Unless they make a new gen Z, kiss any aftermarket support for the Infiniti platform goodbye.
AMS debuted an insane tuner kit for the Q60RS. The main issue with the infiniti models was truly the weight. If they just take this powerplant, put it in a next generation 370z (or whatever it will be called) and add a manual, that seems like a straight win right there.

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Nothing they have made ever excited me.
Really??? They haven't been about big horsepower. I've found the z version of these cars to be great project or track toys.

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Exactly. At best the G35/37 was a softer Z car. They'll never build an M car competitor, even as that continues to mean less and less.
As long as its priced right, I think it will be solid competition. The infiniti model should go after the M2 price point with the Nissan equivalent (see above comment) after the Camaro SS 1le price point.
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AMS debuted an insane tuner kit for the Q60RS. The main issue with the infiniti models was truly the weight. If they just take this powerplant, put it in a next generation 370z (or whatever it will be called) and add a manual, that seems like a straight win right there.
I believe the AMS tuner kit was a turbo replacement if I recall. These have integrated turbo's and the RS pretty much has it maxed out.
The main issue was never the weight, its the driving dynamics. The new models all have electric steering, no LSD, no dct, no 6mt, no exhaust note, crappy suspension. Even with TC off, it's hard to let the rear loose.
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Really??? They haven't been about big horsepower. I've found the z version of these cars to be great project or track toys.
Yup, don't need big HP to have fun. I'm looking for my 3rd Miata right now. Miata > any Infiniti for a track toy as well.
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I believe the AMS tuner kit was a turbo replacement if I recall. These have integrated turbo's and the RS pretty much has it maxed out.
The main issue was never the weight, its the driving dynamics. The new models all have electric steering, no LSD, no dct, no 6mt, no exhaust note, crappy suspension. Even with TC off, it's hard to let the rear loose.
What happened? The G35 & 350Z had a really nice stock exhaust note.
Whenever I see a G35/350Z with fart cans or crap aftermarket exhaust I have to shake my head.
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What happened? The G35 & 350Z had a really nice stock exhaust note.
Whenever I see a G35/350Z with fart cans or crap aftermarket exhaust I have to shake my head.
I can't agree with you more. That's what put infiniti/Nissan on the map. Now they don't have any identity on what they want to become.
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I'm a lifelong Z guy and its a shame about the Z. They don't even have the Z in their lineup in commercials when they have all the models next to each other.
Same here. What a shame.

My last car was a 2009 370Z. After 7 years of ownership and a lot of waiting for a refresh, trying to stay brand loyal, I jumped ship and bought an M2.
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I hope they fix the steering. I'm a lifelong Z guy and its a shame about the Z. They don't even have the Z in their lineup in commercials when they have all the models next to each other.
I agree with you that it’s sad that Nissan doesn’t advertise the Z anymore however the Z is in a nice position marketing and development wise. They can move it upmarket (and price it appropriately) with the TT motor and have it compete with the C7 vette or they can market it with the ‘old-school’ and ‘analog’ feels, do make minor updates to the drivetrain (think 350-360bhp) and remove some weight, keep the hydro assisted steering, and keep the entry price below 35k.

The current GTR can compete performance wise with the Germans and the Germans don’t offer any analog feedback anyway.
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I'm somewhat happy they are doing this but at the same time if they keep going down the drive by wire stuff, this car isn't going to be all that good.
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Nissan has disappointed as of late. Auto only TT 3.0. No update on the Z and an aging GTR. MY 350Z I had no trouble dumping $50k in it a few years before the GTR debuted. If I purchase another Nissan, It'll be an S30 Z. Not impressed with anything in the showroom these days.
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