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      01-17-2022, 07:30 AM   #111
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I don't think anyone below the age of 50 can deny that at some point in his/her lifetime he or she will likely witness the end of the ICE. The majority of consumers below 40 undeniably want tech versus styling/performance in their cars. That's part of the reason why Tesla produced their highest output of vehicles in 2021. Once the science allows for the charging time to be equivalent to filling a tank; game over. The science is continuing to edge towards 300 miles or more on a full charge. That's more than what most drive before they take a restroom break, stretch, grab a snack/drink, etc. Moral of the story is don't wait too long to buy that dream ICE car.
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Good friend has a Tesla Model 3. Addictive acceleration, fun tech, and free charging at work. Running the numbers he saves about 4 grand a year on gas (he has a long-ish drive to work). He likes that it's made in the US and doesn't have tailpipe emissions, but it's the other stuff that sealed the deal. Sometimes the choice can be this simple.
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I don't think anyone below the age of 50 can deny that at some point in his/her lifetime he or she will likely witness the end of the ICE. The majority of consumers below 40 undeniably want tech versus styling/performance in their cars. That's part of the reason why Tesla produced their highest output of vehicles in 2021. Once the science allows for the charging time to be equivalent to filling a tank; game over. The science is continuing to edge towards 300 miles or more on a full charge. That's more than what most drive before they take a restroom break, stretch, grab a snack/drink, etc. Moral of the story is don't wait too long to buy that dream ICE car.
Your assertion, though seemingly logical, has one slight flaw; not every country will adopt as quickly as the better-off countries of the OECD.

Cuba, Lebanon, etc present good examples, as will most of Africa and Central Asia - mostly because they won't be able to afford the heavy burden of billions of dollars in infrastructure expenditure. That's almost 4 billion now (reaching 5 billion people by 2050) who won't have taken up EVs for well beyond 2035.

The World will boast 9.2Bn people by 2050. Most of the population is concentrated in those poorer countries most of which can barely feed their people let alone go the way of the well-fed and spend billions in infrastructure projects.

I'm positive, most vehicles in the 2050s on the planet will still be ICE.
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That article allows up to have hope for the ICE M cars as well
Yes! But a Mild Hybrid (MH) version!! Rest assured,...all ///M cars will get an "Electric Motor",...prolly sandwiched between the Transmission and Engine! More than likely, the Alternate will disappear! This will be great for 100% instant Torque at launch!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the current "Mild Hybrid" 3-Series has adopted this MH setup!
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I sure hope this results in some amazing ICE M cars down the road. You just never know how the EU government crazies might find a way to scuttle BMWs plans.
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So like can we have manual transmission and hydraulic steering back, we've been through a lot. A halo car?
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So like can we have manual transmission and hydraulic steering back, we've been through a lot.
This. If you'd have told me 11 years ago I'd still be driving my 135i I wouldn't have believed you.
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I especially liked this little bit: "That's why we're working on a new generation of engines: gasoline, diesel, six-cylinder, eight-cylinder". Seems to indicate the V8 will survive for future vehicles.
B58 is getting a new revision. S68 is basically a hybridized N63. All of them will be good enough to satisfy EU7 and remain in production for the next 8-10 years. Don't expect anything better than that - the future is electric.
What exactly is happening to the B58?
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What exactly is happening to the B58?
The top level B58O (the one in M340i and others) is gradually going away - there is no replacement for it. The mid-level B58M is getting a reworked intake and probably other things to bump its power almost to the level of B58O while also futureproofing it for EU7. The lower level B58U is added mostly for hybrid applications.

All of this will be official in just a few months.
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What exactly is happening to the B58?
The top level B58O (the one in M340i and others) is gradually going away - there is no replacement for it. The mid-level B58M is getting a reworked intake and probably other things to bump its power almost to the level of B58O while also futureproofing it for EU7. The lower level B58U is added mostly for hybrid applications.

All of this will be official in just a few months.
In that case, what will be powering the M340i after the B58O is discontinued?
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I don't think anyone below the age of 50 can deny that at some point in his/her lifetime he or she will likely witness the end of the ICE. The majority of consumers below 40 undeniably want tech versus styling/performance in their cars. That's part of the reason why Tesla produced their highest output of vehicles in 2021. Once the science allows for the charging time to be equivalent to filling a tank; game over. The science is continuing to edge towards 300 miles or more on a full charge. That's more than what most drive before they take a restroom break, stretch, grab a snack/drink, etc. Moral of the story is don't wait too long to buy that dream ICE car.
Your assertion, though seemingly logical, has one slight flaw; not every country will adopt as quickly as the better-off countries of the OECD.

Cuba, Lebanon, etc present good examples, as will most of Africa and Central Asia - mostly because they won't be able to afford the heavy burden of billions of dollars in infrastructure expenditure. That's almost 4 billion now (reaching 5 billion people by 2050) who won't have taken up EVs for well beyond 2035.

The World will boast 9.2Bn people by 2050. Most of the population is concentrated in those poorer countries most of which can barely feed their people let alone go the way of the well-fed and spend billions in infrastructure projects.

I'm positive, most vehicles in the 2050s on the planet will still be ICE.
Very good observation. Also can include just about the entirety of central and south america in that group. From a public infrastructure perspective nothing has changed from the decades of going. For many, oil is the main export and/or source of "political enrichment". Some of the governments may be playing lip service to this issue but it won't happen en masse in the current state of things.
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In that case, what will be powering the M340i after the B58O is discontinued?
It won't be discontinued at one moment across the board. The cars using it today will keep on using it. The models coming to replace them will use something else.
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Likely not. Manufacturers need to meet strict emission and fuel economy targets. You can't control a manual transmission to do that.
So, unfortunately, I think it will be pretty much non-existent except for very niche cars as for every manual car, you'll need to sell so many "more efficient" cars to get your fleet average down to the compliance standards.
there are good manual cars already out there. buy one of those. we have to let go of thinking new cars are going to be like old ones. they are becoming closer and closer to being an typical appliance every day. so the point where we wont even own them anymore, we will just rent them or subscribe to them.
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