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      06-05-2012, 02:57 AM   #67
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Anybody knows the answer for why there are tuning differences in the 116i and 118i?
EVO-TECH has no answers for me yet, its been a week.
AFAIK, the difference is due to 2 reasons:

1. Marketing (a reputable tuner which has a co-operation with BMW ''cannot'' offer the same tunning for 2 different models).

2. All the tuners, at least up to now, offer a tuning box (paralel ECU), which is based on the stock ECU (it alters the sensor signals). Thus, it is limited by the stock ECU in terms of performance.
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      06-05-2012, 04:07 AM   #68
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Hi Fanis,

Are boost pressure sensor 1 and boost pressure sensor 2 actually located in the same plug? I checked the diagram on realm and could only find one boost pressure sensor 13627599906 and I cannot find Turbo sensor
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Hi Fanis,

Are boost pressure sensor 1 and boost pressure sensor 2 actually located in the same plug? I checked the diagram on realm and could only find one boost pressure sensor 13627599906 and I cannot find Turbo sensor
No, 2 different plugs...one is close to the intercooler (the part number you are saying) and the other one is close to the inlet of the engine (next to the starter motor), part number: 13627599907.
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Thx a lot Fanis, do you have the part no. for the other 3 connecting sensors, I am really interested to find out what exactly they are connecting.

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      06-05-2012, 08:36 AM   #71
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Fanis, thanks for the answer.

I doubt evotech collaborates officialy with BMW hq...
anyway, it means a custom ECU mapping should get a 116i to 205+- HP...

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      06-13-2012, 06:39 AM   #72
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anybody got the evotech tune so far?
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According to the ETK, they have ALL major spare parts identical (i.e. Turbo, Inlet manifold, fuel pump, intercooler, injectors, sparkplugs, pistons etc.) They only difference is the exhaust system (not the whole thing though). From what I have gathered up to now and the unofficial info from my BMW main dealer's chief technician, the only difference is the ECU.
Hi Fanis,

I see you are an experienced owner the 116i! I also own a 116i and are about to buy the Hartge ECU. I already talked to Hartge and they offered me also to change the end part of the exhaust system (buy the exhaust of the 118i). This would cost approx. 400 EUR, so I would like to be sure before buying. So, do you have experience in it? Have you tried (or heared about) to replace the exhaust/will this fit the 116i?

Thanks for your reply in advance!
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Hartge will release it own tuning by the end of the month. Being tested right now...the 116i will go to 170bhp and the 118i to 205 bhp. Here you can see the testing videos

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Hi, Do you know why Hartge doesn't specify the acceleration improvement in the area 0-100 km/h...I a little strange I think,-Could I be that the tuning doesn't affect the acceleration time from 0-100??
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      08-17-2012, 02:16 AM   #75
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In Norway BMW has an appointment with Hartge to do tuning under full warranty. May be it is similar in other countries too.
This will surely be more expensive than a random back yard tuner, so it would probably have been a better idea to go for a larger engine from the start.
I am quite sure you won't find any cheap chip tuning (or tuning at all) to go under the BMW warranty. And I have never heard BMW offer this by themselves.
I wonder why Hartge doesn't specify any deduction of the 0-100 acc.time, could it be that the difference is insignificant, and that the improved acceleration only is affecting the acceleration from 100 to 200 km/h?
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I already talked to Hartge and they offered me also to change the end part of the exhaust system (buy the exhaust of the 118i). This would cost approx. 400 EUR, so I would like to be sure before buying. So, do you have experience in it? Have you tried (or heared about) to replace the exhaust/will this fit the 116i?
I have no idea if this will help and up to what extent. It sounds logical, but what sounds good it is not always good! I have not tried it, so I cannot offer any advise.

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Hi, Do you know why Hartge doesn't specify the acceleration improvement in the area 0-100 km/h...I a little strange I think,-Could I be that the tuning doesn't affect the acceleration time from 0-100??
From what I was told and also I understand, they do not offer 0-100km/h figures for 2 reasons:

1. This measurement is highly affected by the quality of the tarmac and the competence of the driver. Even the same driver cannot make to identical launches from 0km/h. The roling acceleration is more reliable.

2. The tunning box offers the most mainly on higher speeds, where the car seems to slow down. My experience was that the car felt quicker after 120 km/h and especially above the 150 km/h mark.
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I wonder why Hartge doesn't specify any deduction of the 0-100 acc.time, could it be that the difference is insignificant, and that the improved acceleration only is affecting the acceleration from 100 to 200 km/h?
Actually I just looked into this and it was quite interesting. AC Schnitzer do a tuning box for the 120d that take power and torque figures up to the level of the 125d. So you would expect the 0-62mph time to drop to around 6.5secs just like the 125d. But it doesn't - it drops just two tenths of a second to 7.0secs from 7.2secs:

http://preisliste.ac-schnitzer.de/ac...170&ID_NR=8949

Does the 125d have much more aggressive gearing than the 120d? Otherwise I can't see why there is such a difference.
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      08-22-2012, 04:23 AM   #78
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Does the 125d have much more aggressive gearing than the 120d? Otherwise I can't see why there is such a difference.
My guess is that it has to do with Marketing in combination with an overstimated figure by BMW and an underestimated figure by ACS.

Edit: Now I just checked and final drive in the 125d is a bit shorter than the one in the 120d (3.39 vs 3.15)
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      09-02-2012, 10:52 AM   #79
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No, 2 different plugs...one is close to the intercooler (the part number you are saying) and the other one is close to the inlet of the engine (next to the starter motor), part number: 13627599907.
Hi Fanis,

This are where the normal 3 sensor plugs are connected to.


Picture is from Speed Buster installation guide.

Am also interested to know where the other 2 are connected to? Kellener Sports have 5 plugs too. My guess is wastegate.... .Are you able to help verify?

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      09-26-2012, 05:17 AM   #80
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The sensors are:

1. Air Flow Meter
2. Turbo pressure 1
3. Turbo pressure 2
4. Camshaft position sensor
5. Fuel pressure sensor
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The improvements for 0-100km/h timing using these kind of chip boxes will not be so high in order to reach the numbers of the standard superior model.
I checked the infos provided by several tuners for different brands (also for VW/Audi with MTM and Abt).
Other upgrades are needed so the total cost will be almost the same as the price difference between the standard models.
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      10-07-2012, 03:47 PM   #82
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Hi everyone,
I live in Turkey and i own a brand new 116i sportline..
I am looking for smthng for powering up my 116i..
While checking this topic,i made an idea that hartge power box can offer what i am looking for..
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Here comes the question;
How can i get a Hartge power box in Turkey?
Thanks a lot..
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      10-08-2012, 04:13 AM   #83
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How can i get a Hartge power box in Turkey?
Thanks a lot..
Is there any official Hartge dealer in Turkey? You can send an email to Hartge and ask them about a deler in Turkey or if they can sell directly to you.

Another option may be to order it from Greece. The Hartge dealer is a company called Speed and Style and the owner (Nikos) is very helpful. Have a look here: http://www.speedandstyle.gr/index.php?sid=27
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How can i get a Hartge power box in Turkey?
Thanks a lot..
Is there any official Hartge dealer in Turkey? You can send an email to Hartge and ask them about a deler in Turkey or if they can sell directly to you.

Another option may be to order it from Greece. The Hartge dealer is a company called Speed and Style and the owner (Nikos) is very helpful. Have a look here: http://www.speedandstyle.gr/index.php?sid=27
Dear Fanis,
I directly made a contact with Hartge DE via e-mail and they informed me that they do not have an official dealer in Turkey unfortunately
But according to their information given to me,they said that they can directly send the ecu to me if i order and pay the price..
The price would be approximately 1.500 euros without shipment costs..
But in my opinion it is very expensive for a powerbox..
Could you please inform me about your local dealer's price for this box in Greece?
Thanks again
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Could you please inform me about your local dealer's price for this box in Greece?
Yes it is expensive indeed...I know! The price in Greece is the same as in Germany (usually it is more expensive!). I think the dealer here had something like a special offer for the first 10 boxes, but I am not sure if it is still valid and if he has sold these first 10 boxes.

You can ask him....ro if you prefer I can ask him a question.
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Dear Fanis,
Could u please ask the price to your Friend?
By the way,what about fuel consumption? Is there any change?
Expecially while driving in comfort mode?
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As a summary, I think, that kit will not do much without changing the exhaust system. On the other hand it will definitely cancel the warranty. At least in Turkey.
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Dear Fanis,
Could u please ask the price to your Friend?
By the way,what about fuel consumption? Is there any change?
Expecially while driving in comfort mode?
I couldn't find him (he is in Italy at the moment for business), so you will have to wait a bit.

Consumption is the same...didn't notice any difference. The thing is with more power I tend to go faster more often (and sometimes just accelerate for the sake of it!!), so consumption goes up. But with the same driving as before, consumption is the same (maybe a little bit better, like 3%).
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