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03-30-2012, 06:46 AM | #46 |
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Idk why everybody is complaining. This looks pretty awesome to me. The body roll doesn't even look that bad. I like that the test driver is able to get on the gas pretty early after the apex and the car is going straight on the exits.
Question Scott: is it Confirmed that all M performance models will have hydraulic steering, like the _50d models do? Or is it a case by case basis?
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One of the reasons I love this car is because there are so many haters out there.
In addition it's a damn good car representing all the core values of the marque BMW.
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03-30-2012, 10:11 AM | #48 |
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I like the new 1 series a lot, the quirky styling makes it more appealing IMO. If they made it in a traditional coupe or sedan body style, and brought it to the US I would consider it.
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03-30-2012, 10:26 AM | #49 |
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As much as I like BMW I think I have to hand this segment to Benz and their new A-class in terms of exterior and interior design. Much superior. Add to that the AMG version which is in testing now and I might have a new 2nd car.
People are bound to cross-shop the 1-series with the new A-class. |
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A marketing professor once said to me: If you have to consider something you like "an acquired taste," that's your brain telling you you don't like it and the hype telling you you are supposed to like it.
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03-31-2012, 05:53 PM | #53 |
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It s hard to understand the design of this car only from photos
![]() But with M Pack, staying near it s amazing ![]() Also the back lights of the A Class are looking very bad, its nav screen looks strange and is a FWD car. It can compete with a VW GTI, but not with M135i ![]() This top hatch will not have a real competitor due to the fact that its dynamics is faaaaar better ![]() ![]() |
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![]() And I think the other comment about things growing on you vs hype is food for thought too, but I'm not sure it applies to everything...sometimes with cars it takes perspective to appreciate it as a whole...an aesthetic design, an engineering concept, and manufactured reality. My E92 certainly has grown on me as these three elements have come together to create a satisfying DD. |
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04-21-2012, 01:11 PM | #57 |
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Please bring it to US!
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04-21-2012, 01:28 PM | #58 |
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wow, still ugly.
I like hatch backs but this car is the worst looking BMW. Ugly face, and most other angles are not great either.
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they are designing most Performance models to accept xDrive which does not have EPS so I would imagine to save R&D they would develop one rack and that would be the hydraulic one. In my talks with M engineers, they felt EPS sacrificed too much feel for the "limited efficiency gains" and they dod not approve. They did more with weight savings than the EPS did to save MPG. (for what it is worth).
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If you cruise between München and Ingolstadt at night you will see a variety of undressed testers- I saw the F30 this way almost two months before it launched. Audi also tests at night on this route- sometimes as far as Nürnberg the first time i heard the R8 GT rumble I was drooling... and the ni couldn't keep up. They often stop at rest areas at the wee hours of the morning but otherwise the backroads and A-bahn are where they romp throughout the night.
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The E60 wagon never had success, BMW openly admits to it. The RS6 Avant outsold the E60 M5 wagon by a multiple worldwide, and the new generation would not have been any different. BMW learned it's lesson, stick to what you do best and where your comparative advantage is. I am pretty sure by the time all is said and done in the F10 M5's life, the number of manuals sold in the US will be a lot higher than how many M5 wagons BMW would have sold worldwide, so it was prudent business decision on many levels.
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There is also a detuned version of the N20 that can be used. Is BMW feeling out the market right now- Yes. Are there more variants coming- yes, but the 3 door will be more sporty than the 5 door and the future coupe even sportier (I Hope that gives some perspective and answers your question). Quote:
Then think about the market- think about the engineers that market employees, and think about how suppliers dictate much of the landscape as far as pieces of the overall product. Couldn't it be possible that BMWNA paid for the development of the manual (it will have the exclusive to it) and their engineers in cooperation with M tested and fine tuned it as supplied by a supplier. I am sure most have read Dr. N's comments on the manual vs. DCT and given that opinion why would he divert resources? He wouldn't and M employees now over 450 engineers. they have a lot of development ability and are used as a think tank of sorts.
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In sort of alternate the BMW M550d Touring is the successor to the E61 M5 Touring. Am I saddened that I cannot replace the M5 Touring? Yes I suppose I am. Because I like the flexibility the Touring had to offer - a High performance car with spacious flexibility.
I have not driven the Touring M550d , only the M550d Sedan. But after my six-month time is up with the 320d in June , I will be in the Touring M550d to see how it compares to the M5 Touring. Which is now back on its 19" wheels , full spring clean and recent recall adjustments. M Performance models are meant to stand out , just as an M model stands out but for very different reasons over the standard and M-Sport models. So the range of M Performance cars that will range from the M135i to the 750d will feature alterations that make the cars more pronounced against regular models but below full blown M variants if there is an M of that series. M Performance Automobiles allows BMW M to instigate demands in a concept that can not be considered as a full M product.
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