[NickyC]

I tell you what. In a world of constant lies and a lack of holding people in power accountable for anything, it was incredibly refreshing to hear Charles admitting his mistake and the humility in his voice. It’s so rare to get that type of honesty these days, especially when the stakes are so high. He’s a good guy and I hope he has a lot of success going forward.

The problem with being a good guy though is the killers are going to walk all over you. Max and Hamilton will never hold back where I think Charles might not have what it takes to win at this level.

Decent race, I just wish Ferrari would stop being Ferrari so we could have a close championship!

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

He did say his rear tyre went off the track a bit and dirt there could have put him in the spin but sure the pressure from Max made him go into the bend just too quick.

I think he already lost it before his rear tyre went off track. I think it's drivers mistake and not a mechanical issue with the throttle but it's hard to say.

At 0:26 you can see that the left rear tyre is laying down a lot of rubber on the tarmac all through the corner. So he's pushing it or his tyres are in bad shape (probably both ). But I cant imagine that being the throttle stuck open or not responding properly because that's pretty much the situation all through the corner.
Just before the rear tyre hits the blue paint it looks like it's already setting a small step to the side, so that is I think the point that he's already lost it. At that point the rear is breaking out more and more.
That point just before the rear left hits the blue paint is not a point that you decrease throttle compared to the previous meters. The car is getting more and more straight so if any, you increase the throttle.

But for sure he was pushing it.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think he already lost it before his rear tyre went off track. I think it's drivers mistake and not a mechanical issue with the throttle but it's hard to say.

At 0:26 you can see that the left rear tyre is laying down a lot of rubber on the tarmac all through the corner. So he's pushing it or his tyres are in bad shape (probably both ). But I cant imagine that being the throttle stuck open or not responding properly because that's pretty much the situation all through the corner.
Just before the rear tyre hits the blue paint it looks like it's already setting a small step to the side, so that is I think the point that he's already lost it. At that point the rear is breaking out more and more.
That point just before the rear left hits the blue paint is not a point that you decrease throttle compared to the previous meters. The car is getting more and more straight so if any, you increase the throttle.

But for sure he was pushing it.

They asked him to look after his boiling tyres , but they didn't called him to pit .

Once again Charlie is Ferrari'd ...
F* Italian clowns !

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by G80M4

Hard to solely blame him

He makes 3 mistakes in half a season, but it's difficult when your entire team that should be helping you are made up of clowns and you have to also do their work for them as you drive at the limit every corner

and you make 3 mistakes all year

i blame Italians

Ferrari after Ross Brawn is what it is, take it or leave it. Without doubt Ham, Max or ALO would not have made the same mistakes Le Clerc has made at Ferrari. To his credit, he already owned up to his mistakes and he's not blaming the team for his driving errors so I don't think he is needing or wanting empathy.

[E92inNC]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Ferrari clowns made also a big mistake with Sainz..

Sainz was overtaking Checo and at the same moment they call him to pit !

Italians ..I just don't get it
We are having 'one Italian at the company , these guys are incredible !

Ferrari : Carlos BOX ...Carlos BOX !!! Confirm to BOX ...
Sainz : NOOOO... NOT NOW !!! NOT NOW !!!
Ferrari : Stay out ....Stay out !!!

WTF !

Having a few hours to reflect on the race I think the team ultimate made the right decision with Carlos but messed up keeping Charles out longer than needed seeing his graining issue and overall the tires were falling off quicker than Max’s.

There was really no chance Carlos would have been able to pull a 5 second gap to keep P3 with that time penalty, he likely either would have gotten re-passed in the last dozen laps or Checo and Russell would have been close enough to knock him back to P5 anyways. His tires were looking awful, so P5 plus the FL point is probably the best achievable result for him.

As for Charles they should have brought him in as soon as Max pitted to cover, you should only keep a driver out if he feels his tires are in a good state concerning wear and being able to continue putting in decent laps. But hindsight’s 20/20 here.

I don’t see Max being challenged the remaining of this year outside of mechanical failures. His pace is the top of the field and he’s gained a mental strength that comes with consistently winning, knowing better how to play the long game and knowing he doesn’t have to win every race. Hopefully next year we get a closer fight if Charles can mitigate his mistakes and the reliability is no longer an issue, Ferrari needs to put most of their remaining 2022 effort into getting this issue resolved.

[NickyC]

Yep, Max's confidence is off the charts. The guy just carries himself like he's won 8 WDCs already.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Ferrari after Ross Brawn is what it is, take it or leave it. Without doubt Ham, Max or ALO would not have made the same mistakes Le Clerc has made at Ferrari. To his credit, he already owned up to his mistakes and he's not blaming the team for his driving errors so I don't think he is needing or wanting empathy.

The first thing Ham would have done would be to sack the entire strategy team and hire a team whom he trusts. 2 years ago.

Ferrari will not win anything when margins are so tight if they don't hire non Italian planners unfortunately.

[Killed by Death]

Ferrari

[G30M]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think he already lost it before his rear tyre went off track. I think it's drivers mistake and not a mechanical issue with the throttle but it's hard to say.

At 0:26 you can see that the left rear tyre is laying down a lot of rubber on the tarmac all through the corner. So he's pushing it or his tyres are in bad shape (probably both ). But I cant imagine that being the throttle stuck open or not responding properly because that's pretty much the situation all through the corner.
Just before the rear tyre hits the blue paint it looks like it's already setting a small step to the side, so that is I think the point that he's already lost it. At that point the rear is breaking out more and more.
That point just before the rear left hits the blue paint is not a point that you decrease throttle compared to the previous meters. The car is getting more and more straight so if any, you increase the throttle.

But for sure he was pushing it.

Max had just pitted and CLC is working out all the possible strategies in his head himself because he doesn't trust the Ferrari clowns - not that they offered any help anyways - and that must have just taken enough out of his processing power just enough and into the wall

It's not easy to drive at the limit every corner while also trying to calculate and strategise and this was shown up.

That's my analysis anyway.

Any top champion who had gone to Ferrari have had their career disarticulated.

What more a rookie. CLC needs a Mentor - maybe he needs to hire Rosberg to coach him.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Ferrari clowns made also a big mistake with Sainz..

Sainz was overtaking Checo and at the same moment they call him to pit !

Italians ..I just don't get it
We are having 'one Italian at the company , these guys are incredible !

Ferrari : Carlos BOX ...Carlos BOX !!! Confirm to BOX ...
Sainz : NOOOO... NOT NOW !!! NOT NOW !!!
Ferrari : Stay out ....Stay out !!!

WTF !

Looks like Sainz is or if not should be chief advisor to the Ferrari tyre service dept

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Looks like Sainz is or if not should be chief advisor to the Ferrari tyre service dept

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Ferrari

This my friend !

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This my friend !

I don't think Max would be that stupid.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I don't think Max would be that stupid.

Instead of screaming like Chas, Max would motor mouth the long silver haired guy into doing the right thing and there'd be no wagging fingers from Bino

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I don't think Max would be that stupid.

Think that MAX would do a "full throttle bomb-dive" in the Ferrari box !

[Rono63]

I think Charles was pushing hard because RB and Max was trying the undercut. He carried to much speed into the turn and lost the rear tires.

[NYG]

My take on post-race;

1) French GP is still garbage - even with the new cars. This is the track that needs to go.
2) Charles screaming "Noooooooo" really hit me in the feels - that was dark. I don't think he was going to win that race but I feel his pain and I really sympathize with his accident;
3) CHARLES IS NOT WDC MATERIAL YET. There's no doubt he will be a WDC one day and that he is 100% capable of challenging Max, there is a huge difference between Max and Charles currently. I don't say that as an attack on Charles but Max was also at this point a few years ago. The most important thing is he can not let this stuff break him.
4) Merc is really not as good as their podium results seem. They're improving but they're only up there because Sainz started in last + penalty, Leclerc crashed and Checo had a mediocre weekend in general.
5) Ferrari's real fight in the constructors is Mercedes for 2nd, which they should, ultimately, win.
6) The most important thing right now is that Ferrari doesn't lose sight of Charles' ceiling in order to get some quick results out of Carlos only to lose him - this wouldn't really surprise any of us right?
7) Max Verstappen is now tied for 8th in all time GP wins. There's a chance that in the next 2 years he could potentially be THIRD in all time GP wins - if you're a non LH44 fan; you truly appreciate the fact that you're watching a legend pave his way through F1 history.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by NYG

My take on post-race;

1) French GP is still garbage - even with the new cars. This is the track that needs to go.
2) Charles screaming "Noooooooo" really hit me in the feels - that was dark. I don't think he was going to win that race but I feel his pain and I really sympathize with his accident;
3) CHARLES IS NOT WDC MATERIAL YET. There's no doubt he will be a WDC one day and that he is 100% capable of challenging Max, there is a huge difference between Max and Charles currently. I don't say that as an attack on Charles but Max was also at this point a few years ago. The most important thing is he can not let this stuff break him.
4) Merc is really not as good as their podium results seem. They're improving but they're only up there because Sainz started in last + penalty, Leclerc crashed and Checo had a mediocre weekend in general.
5) Ferrari's real fight in the constructors is Mercedes for 2nd, which they should, ultimately, win.
6) The most important thing right now is that Ferrari doesn't lose sight of Charles' ceiling in order to get some quick results out of Carlos only to lose him - this wouldn't really surprise any of us right?
7) Max Verstappen is now tied for 8th in all time GP wins. There's a chance that in the next 2 years he could potentially be THIRD in all time GP wins - if you're a non LH44 fan; you truly appreciate the fact that you're watching a legend pave his way through F1 history.

Well said my friend !

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Yep, Max's confidence is off the charts. The guy just carries himself like he's won 8 WDCs already.

Max's confidence is off the charts because his only 2 competitors are Ferrari and Mercedes.
Last year he beat Merc. on strategy alone despite them arguably having the better car and this year Ferrari arguably has the better (faster) car and he even has to do less...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Max's confidence is off the charts because his only 2 competitors are Ferrari and Mercedes.
Last year he beat Merc. on strategy alone despite them arguably having the better car and this year Ferrari arguably has the better (faster) car and he even has to do less...

Marko has said that Max and Checo's 18 could go even faster though Ferrari are doing that and look what's happening to the reliability, so RB are playing it safe with ''just'' enough.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Max's confidence is off the charts because his only 2 competitors are Ferrari and Mercedes.
Last year he beat Merc. on strategy alone despite them arguably having the better car and this year Ferrari arguably has the better (faster) car and he even has to do less...

There's no doubt about the fact that Max's maturation has been influenced by being on a team that supports him like family with an elite level of operations from development to strategy to mechanics. The fact that he ended up on Red Bull and not Mercedes/Ferrari was a blessing in disguise. Even if the results weren't immediate. He may have gotten results faster on Merc but they would have ruined him.

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by NYG

My take on post-race;

1) French GP is still garbage - even with the new cars. This is the track that needs to go.
2) Charles screaming "Noooooooo" really hit me in the feels - that was dark. I don't think he was going to win that race but I feel his pain and I really sympathize with his accident;
3) CHARLES IS NOT WDC MATERIAL YET. There's no doubt he will be a WDC one day and that he is 100% capable of challenging Max, there is a huge difference between Max and Charles currently. I don't say that as an attack on Charles but Max was also at this point a few years ago. The most important thing is he can not let this stuff break him.
4) Merc is really not as good as their podium results seem. They're improving but they're only up there because Sainz started in last + penalty, Leclerc crashed and Checo had a mediocre weekend in general.
5) Ferrari's real fight in the constructors is Mercedes for 2nd, which they should, ultimately, win.
6) The most important thing right now is that Ferrari doesn't lose sight of Charles' ceiling in order to get some quick results out of Carlos only to lose him - this wouldn't really surprise any of us right?
7) Max Verstappen is now tied for 8th in all time GP wins. There's a chance that in the next 2 years he could potentially be THIRD in all time GP wins - if you're a non LH44 fan; you truly appreciate the fact that you're watching a legend pave his way through F1 history.

Agreed
Interestingly, Max is at the moment almost driving like 'the professor' Alain Prost in his heyday. Fast, clean, no mistakes and a very cool head.
This is what gets you (lots of) championships!