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      11-24-2023, 09:23 AM   #45
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Rumor has it (leaked via Sky TV) that Mercedes torpedoed the possibility of waiving the 10-place grid drop of Sainz at the Las Vegas race. That grid drop compromised Sainz's race (start from P12 instead of from P2 next to his team mate Leclerc). The setback was a golden opportunity for Mercedes to widen the 20 points WCC gap. However, Ferrari still managed to reduce that gap to merely 4 points.
George Russel had a 5 place grid penalty for a manhole cover destroying his car in 2019 Baku. His repair didn't involve quite as much as Sainz, so less penalty. He was racing for Williams at the time, but there's an obvious relationship between Merc and Williams. I wouldn't be surprised if Toto was just arguing for equal treatment under the rules, which makes sense. Apply the rules evenly, and if somethign doesn't make sense in the rules, change it.
Are you sure about that penalty?
If I compare the qualifying results from f1 to the starting grid, there is no penalty that I can see:
qualifying:
https://www.formula1.com/en/results....ualifying.html
starting grid:
https://www.formula1.com/en/results....ting-grid.html

I remember the incident with that big cover (or better sad, 'a' incident), but as RUS was a backmarker then, I don't remember penalties or not of course.
Full list of the decisions of the 2019 Azerbaijan race weekend:
https://www.fia.com/documents/champi...20Grand%20Prix

No penalty for Russell (car 63) during qualies and race.

It could be argued though that Russell didn't get a penalty for the PU change because it was only the second PU he had used during the 2019 season but that, AFAIK, FIA did count that PU engine change nevertheless (no waiver).

"No grid penalty for Russell in Baku, but there are reliability concerns":
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/19607...-concerns.html
"Broken engine or not; Russell doesn't need to fear grid penalty in Baku":
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/19385...y-in-baku.html

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Russell clearly hit a drain cover ...and, subsequently, the tow truck hit a bridge and leaked oil on Russell's transported car:

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Yes . And as we know , Abu Dhabi is the last race of this season.
This means : All the PU's will run with 100% of the ponies (or more)!

This is the moment to run with full power mapping !
Mercs tried to squeeze Max into the wall.
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Go slow Mercs were holding up Max in pit lane so he overtakes them with Russell moaning.
That's just part of the Mercedes BlitzKrieg (as usual)!

MAX will get them back . An eye for eye....' And a tooth too !
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Guys I know you want to have Max's love child but some times you just need a reality check.
That was a A Hole maneuver by Max in PRACTICE. Too bad it was legal but I hope it will not be legal soon.
Also note that MAX then slowed down and Russel passed him so what was the point? Had he made contact in the tunnel it would have taken the remainder of the session to clear out the broken cars. Stupid move Max.
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Mercs tried to squeeze Max into the wall.
No doubt ..This was done deliberately !
The pitlane is the only place where the Mercs can race-play with MAX .

In the race they won't see MAX (as always)!
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No doubt ..This was done deliberately !
The pitlane is the only place where the Mercs can race-play with MAX .

In the race they won't see MAX (as always)!
They knew Max was keen to get onto the track with the red flag holdups so went to go slow to hold him up more.
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Guys I know you want to have Max's love child but some times you just need a reality check.
That was a A Hole maneuver by Max in PRACTICE. Too bad it was legal but I hope it will not be legal soon.
Also note that MAX then slowed down and Russel passed him so what was the point? Had he made contact in the tunnel it would have taken the remainder of the session to clear out the broken cars. Stupid move Max.
Both Merc's tried to delay MAX . Because they knew that MAX didn't ran the FP1.
This means that MAX's runtime in FP2 was very important for him and Gianpiero Lambiase .
The necessary data is really required from the FP's to be fast in QF and race !

#TheMercedesBlitzKrieg !
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Both Merc's tried to delay MAX . Because they knew that MAX didn't ran the FP1.
This means that MAX's runtime in FP2 was very important for him and Gianpiero Lambiase .
The necessary data is really required from the FP's to be fast in QF and race !

#TheMercedesBlitzKrieg !
Wolff's 'lightning war' using the Russell boy and LEW and leaves just an hour tomorrow for the final practice.
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Both Merc's tried to delay MAX . Because they knew that MAX didn't ran the FP1.
This means that MAX's runtime in FP2 was very important for him and Gianpiero Lambiase .
The necessary data is really required from the FP's to be fast in QF and race !

#TheMercedesBlitzKrieg !
Thankfully Max just managed to get two timed laps in on the mediums and another two on the softs but no thanks to those two dawdling Merc clots.
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The pitlane is the only place where the Mercs can race-play with MAX . :
Not during qualifying. Max gets schooled by FIA and fellow drivers on stupid FP2 tunnel pass.

F1 drivers banned from overtaking in pit exit tunnel during qualifying

FIA Formula 1 race director Niels Wittich has prohibited all drivers from overtaking rivals along the pit exit road at Yas Marina during qualifying.
In updated official guidelines issued ahead of final practice on Saturday morning, Wittich explicitly prohibited all drivers from overtaking from the white line which marks the end of the pit lane to the second Safety Car line that marks the blend point onto the race track.
https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/25/...ng-qualifying/
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Not during qualifying. Max gets schooled by FIA and fellow drivers on stupid FP2 tunnel pass.

F1 drivers banned from overtaking in pit exit tunnel during qualifying

FIA Formula 1 race director Niels Wittich has prohibited all drivers from overtaking rivals along the pit exit road at Yas Marina during qualifying.
In updated official guidelines issued ahead of final practice on Saturday morning, Wittich explicitly prohibited all drivers from overtaking from the white line which marks the end of the pit lane to the second Safety Car line that marks the blend point onto the race track.
https://www.racefans.net/2023/11/25/...ng-qualifying/
Think , you don't get it ...'
If the Merc drivers want to sleep in their cars . The box is a better place to do it !
Isn't it ?

MAX didn't had time to sleep in the pitlane . MAX really needed data from the FP2 laps , because he didn't ran FP1.
Red Bull really needs data for the RB19 qualifying setup !
This was Mercedes sabotage !

This is not a Tom & Jerry cartoon compilation . This is F1 racing mate !
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Think , you don't get it ...'
Your theory loses treaction when Max slows down when he gets on track as he often does.

If the Drivers and the FIA has a issue with this behavior you should consider why you don't have an issue.

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Whichever way you look at it PO S Wolff is way over his time running Merc, he is nothing but a pita to any team he wants block using slimy back street antics.
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Your theory loses treaction when Max slows done when he gets on track as he often does.

If the Drivers and the FIA has a issue with this behavior you should consider why you don't have a issue.
#FIA-Narcolepsy !
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Whichever way you look at it PO S Wolff is way over his time running Merc, he is nothing but a pita to any team he wants block using slimy back street antics.
Sainz is knocked out of QF1 !
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Not during qualifying. Max gets schooled by FIA and fellow drivers on stupid FP2 tunnel pass.
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That's not schooled but using the extends of the rules.
If he was schooled he would've gotten a penalty.

It's normal for drivers (and teams) to seek the boundries of the rules. All great drivers did that.
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SAI is suddenly a high risk in everything !
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Special dispensation for LEW not to wear team Merc attire as well as Russell with his cricket jumper.
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LEW is knocked out of QF2 !
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