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      07-04-2022, 06:30 PM   #353
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George Russell says he could have restarted the race but his car got towed away while he ran off to help Zhou
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Ferrari : Charles you are too fast for Sainz, press the slow button. Slow button on.
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Is this what ruined Max's race? Stuck under the car or something?
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Is this what ruined Max's race? Stuck under the car or something?

Yep I believe it damaged and was stuck in the rear floor.

To me, while it sucked for max, it shows how finely tuned these machines are. Such an extreme loss of performance because of that is incredible to me.
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George Russell says he could have restarted the race but his car got towed away while he ran off to help Zhou
As much as RUS felt he could help ZHO in some way and look helpful there was not a lot he could do with marshals and equipment rushing to the scene and Wolff for sure fuming he left his car.
The Fia guy was talking with RUS explaining there was no way that the car could be removed for repair once on the track service low loader.
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As much as RUS felt he could help ZHO in some way and look helpful there was not a lot he could do with marshals and equipment rushing to the scene and Wolff for sure fuming he left his car.
The Fia guy was talking with RUS explaining there was no way that the car could be removed for repair once on the track service low loader.
Yeah but I also don't fault him for trying. The adrenaline in the moment and thoughts of your peer override rational judgement.

I thought for sure some crowd was going to leap the fence.
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Here is a good technical breakdown of the Zhou accident, and the damage to the roll structure. Interesting breakdown on various roll structures used by various teams, and what happened here post collision.

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As much as RUS felt he could help ZHO in some way and look helpful there was not a lot he could do with marshals and equipment rushing to the scene and Wolff for sure fuming he left his car.
The Fia guy was talking with RUS explaining there was no way that the car could be removed for repair once on the track service low loader.
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Yeah but I also don't fault him for trying. The adrenaline in the moment and thoughts of your peer override rational judgement.
I thought for sure some crowd was going to leap the fence.
Senna (with undamaged car) stopped on track to save Comas (damaged car) at Spa-Francorchamps in 1992. He switched off the main switch inside Comas's car to limit the risk of fire. Car still on full throttle could have exploded any second, taking away the lives of both Comas and Senna.





Two years later (1994 - Imola): lethal crash of Senna. Comas stormed away out of the pitlane despite the red flag, to get to the accident scene. But it was in vain (and Senna was already in the hands of marshals and medical teams). See from 10:03 onwards. It first looked like a major pitlane error, but it was Comas who tried to help the very brave pilot who had come to his rescue in 1992.
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Oof. :P

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Thanks for sharing Artemis. The video of the original Olav Mol live commentary on Dutch TV once again brought tears to my eyes.
Still a nightmare after all those years.
RIP Ayrton.
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10/10 Race.

Sucks to see Max not up there but a few things made up for it:

1) Lec only got 4th, so barely cuts the championship gap
2) Sergio is the best thing to happen to RedBull in a very long time - I did not even expect him to be in the top 5 but he just keeps on delivering
3) Nice to see Sainz get his first win, especially since Ferrari almost tried to fck him
Anytime PER and Ham go head-to-head, Checo seems to have his number and I love it!
Ham got SUPER lucky that Ver and Lec were driving with, in Max's case, severe damage, and in Lec's case decent damage, otherwise he'd have maybe finished 5th. Also had Rus not DNF'd, I suspect he'd also have finished ahead of Ham.
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RUS deserves points on his license for that.
Agreed...this guy IMO was such an ass to squeeze Gas. Really dumb race craft and low race intelligence on this one. He didnt qualify well and therefore wanted a long strat so he should have expected a slow start and getting passed by others on med tires but only to later pass.
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Thanks for sharing Artemis. The video of the original Olav Mol live commentary on Dutch TV once again brought tears to my eyes.
Still a nightmare after all those years.
RIP Ayrton.
I saw it live on TV. Devastating.

The point I tried to make: true that Russell may have lost a chance to get Silverstone race points by leaving his damaged car (DNF) to check Zhou, but that was absolutely the right thing to do. Regardless the presence of marshals nearby Zhou and regardless whether Russell could (not) do anything specific for Zhou, those first moments are usually crucial. Those moments were not broadcast for privacy reasons (unlike the fatal Senna crash of 1994).

Just imagine for a moment that you were Zhou, hanging inside your seat belts in the cockpit between the fence and barriers, likely dizzy and disoriented, unable to get out of the car on your own, with a full fuel tank (lap 1), hoping that the car would not catch fire (remember the Grosjean crash). And suddenly Russell pops up near your side to comfort you as best as he can. That's top class on a human level.

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I saw it live on TV. Devastating.

The point I tried to make: true that Russell may have lost a chance to get Silverstone race points by leaving his damaged car (DNF) to check Zhou, but that was absolutely the right thing to do. Regardless the presence of marshals nearby Zhou and regardless whether Russell could (not) do anything specific for Zhou, those first moments are usually crucial. Those moments were not broadcast for privacy reasons (unlike the fatal Senna crash of 1994).

Just imagine for a moment that you were Zhou, hanging inside your seat belts in the cockpit between the fence and barriers, likely dizzy and disoriented, unable to get out of the car on your own, with a full fuel tank (lap 1), hoping that the car would not catch fire (remember the Grosjean crash). And suddenly Russell pops up near your side to comfort you as best as he can. That's top class on a human level.
100% agreed.

My first thoughts when the crash was shown on TV was that :
1. Zhou was lucky the car hit the catch fence wheels first and not cockpit first.

and

2. The results could have been horrific if the car had of cleared or even hit the top of the fence and was whipped over top.
I think that there will be a review of that particular area of catch fence.
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I think that there will be a review of that particular area of catch fence.
"Russell: F1 needs rethink over tyre barrier layout
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...yout/10332487/
George Russell says Formula 1 needs to rethink tyre barrier safety to stop cars getting stuck in gaps, following Zhou Guanyu’s escape from a horror crash at the British Grand Prix.
Jul 3, 2022, 5:54 PM

Zhou’s Alfa Romeo was launched over the tyre barriers at the opening corner of the Silverstone race, having been caught up in a multi-car accident involving Russell and AlphaTauri’s Pierre Gasly.
Having been tripped upside down and skipping across the gravel trap, Zhou’s Alfa Romeo then rolled over the tyre barriers before getting wedged in a gap in front of catch fencing.
Although Zhou escaped serious injury and was extracted from the car by safety crews, Russell says the situation was far from ideal.
And having seen the accident close up, as he ran over to check on Zhou’s condition immediately after the crash, Russell said that some thoughts need to be given about safety improvements.
“In that position, he was stuck there,” said Russell when asked about what he made of the scene. “There's nothing he could have done.
We need to have I think to avoid the car being stuck in such a fine gap, in the space between the tyre barriers and the metal fence. He was just stuck in there with nowhere to go.
Russell explained that the incident had been triggered by him getting ‘swamped’ at the start as he made a getaway on the slower hard tyres.
“It was an incredibly scary incident, not just for him but I'm sure for everyone in the crowd as well,” he said. “It was not nice to see.
“We obviously took a gamble starting on the hards because I didn't do a good enough job yesterday in qualifying, and we were starting out of position.
“We knew it was going to be very tricky but I just got completely swamped by everybody at the start, and the next thing I know is I was in the side of Zhou. There are so many different emotions.”
While relieved at Zhou’s escape, Russell expressed some annoyance at being unable to take the restart after marshals attended to his car immediately following the incident.
“When I came back I couldn't quite get the car started but I just wanted to check with my team,” he said.
“When I came back the car was already on the flatbed and they said we couldn't restart. So it's annoying because the only issue we had was a puncture.
“The car was generally fine. There was a little bit of damage, but nothing show-stopping.”
Later Russell was seen remonstrating with FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer about being told that the outside assistance meant he could not rejoin.
“So apparently, as soon as you get assistance, you can't restart,” he told Sky. “So it's very frustrating because the car just had the puncture. And there's no doubt we had the pace to come back to P6 today.”
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As much as RUS felt he could help ZHO in some way and look helpful there was not a lot he could do with marshals and equipment rushing to the scene and Wolff for sure fuming he left his car.
The Fia guy was talking with RUS explaining there was no way that the car could be removed for repair once on the track service low loader.
As I said ...

Red Bull and Ferrari will get a FIA technical investigation regarding flexible floors ..
Thanks to Mercedes and Shalia-Ann Rao ! => https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/11451...gulations.html

First , Wolff bought his anti-bouncing solution from the FIA and now he just pushed the FIA to investigate the other teams !
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As always, interesting analysis from Michael Schmidt. For you guys who understand German.
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As always, interesting analysis from Michael Schmidt. For you guys who understand German.
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Wow that was amazing, that was one of the greatest races I've ever seen!

Wow!
Agreed - this race stands out above the rest so far. So exciting.
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Engineered win for Sainz

Santander Spain and Sainz Sr. steering the F1-75 and B8notto?


Alberto Antonini reports part of the Ferrari staff refused, at least initially, to attend the podium ceremony and team photos after Silverstone GP.

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“If it is true, as I fear, it is not a good sign. A bit of healthy rivalry in the garage is fine, every mechanic and every technician must cheer for his driver, but the common interest must be to aim to win.”

“So, if on the one hand it is stupid and wrong to think that Ferrari boycots Leclerc (and I say this without implication), on the other hand the evidence suggests that Sainz's victory is more good for Sainz than for the team. Happy him, at least.”


LEC started under the management of Sergio Marchionne and Massimo Rivola. Carlos Sainz brought in by the Binotto and current President John Elkann. Preference in strategy, B8 and Elkann want choice of Sainz to show success.
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Senna (with undamaged car) stopped on track to save Comas (damaged car) at Spa-Francorchamps in 1992. He switched off the main switch inside Comas's car to limit the risk of fire. Car still on full throttle could have exploded any second, taking away the lives of both Comas and Senna.





Two years later (1994 - Imola): lethal crash of Senna. Comas stormed away out of the pitlane despite the red flag, to get to the accident scene. But it was in vain (and Senna was already in the hands of marshals and medical teams). See from 10:03 onwards. It first looked like a major pitlane error, but it was Comas who tried to help the very brave pilot who had come to his rescue in 1992.
Alternative view on this.

Russell increased risk to himself and track workers. Leave the rescue operation to trained professionals. F1 safety crews training and response time has improved significantly. Russell accomplished nothing except distracting safety crews with an additional possible medical evacuation. He has no radio and flailing his arms to point to an overturned car was useless and irresponsible. Two safety crew members had to escort him back to safety, which is two less crew members to assist Zhou. Collateral damage due to untrained “heros”, is the biggest risk of any rescue ops. Doctor is chasing Russell to confirm he is ok, he should have stayed in the car.

70-90s F1 (maybe 00s) track safety workers were not equipped or trained in the same way, so drivers could make the difference possibly. Not today.

Maybe he wanted to punch Zhou in the face like Bottas.
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