[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

Fox News, the CIA, Texas' opinion, and California slander all in one neat package. I thought the right deeply mistrusts the CIA/FBI? If I were a Texan, I'd be more worried about a statewide power outage bankrupting my neighbors. And Fox News... well, y'all showed your hand with that one.

Can't wait for the new threads that're about to pop up after today's reveal of the revised Tesla Model 3 Performance. Faster 0-60, weighs about 100lbs more, about 40 miles less range, and 7 more horsepower than the 2024 BMW M3 Comp I was considering. For about $30k less, before Federal and State rebates.

Regardless of the love or hate of EVs, I don't think anyone can refute the performance at that price point.

Of course you can. I didn't buy a F150 Hybrid because the thought of having a fuel air lithium explosive device in my garage was a bridge to far. That was before I found out how horrible the fire death rates are for anything in an accident with a lithium battery in it.

[x622]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

My point about text books is they cost a lot of money to manufacture vs. some internet site that can change the words for free. If a scientific text book does not meet academic standards (what I meant by peer review) it will not sell and the publisher loses money. And text books teach the fundamentals of science study, which is what I use to judge internet scientific information. The internet is basically full of agenda-driven bullshit. So, no, scientific text books from 40 years ago are not outdated.

The study under discussion here, made no reasoning what effect automation has on reducing truck emissions. I read the article several times and I did not see the tie in into automation. I think we are 5 decades away (if ever) from automated over-the-road trucks. 50 years time is well past most climate scientists prediction of the point of no climatic return.

We're on the exact same page. I have a full archive copy of zlib and I highly recommend anyone who gives a damn about reading to do the same.

[NickyC]

I need to take a picture, but Tesla has been using an abandoned mall parking lot near me for some time to store excess vehicles. Well, that parking lot now looks like a mall from the 90s at Christmas time because there could easily be a thousand vehicles parked there. It seems like the number just keeps growing and growing every time I drive by the spot. I'm not sure if it's a regional hub where they store vehicles for a multistate area or whatever, but it's unbelievable how many cars are parked there now.

I'm not sure if it's people not wanting EVs, or if Musk really upset people by taking away their left-wing propaganda arm Twitter.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Your post about the updated Model 3 Performance had me go look at it on Yesla's site with some interest. Meh, it's still a way-past-its-design-prime Model 3. The headlights are a bit better looking, but the front facia isn't that much of a departure to get me interested. The rear is really unchanged and the overall goofy shape doesn't give it presence, IMO. The interior doesn't say driver's car, it still says eco-themed save the planet pod. So, it's fast and AWD; whoopeedoo.

While the M3 is no beauty queen it's at least interesting to look at. I'd rather forgo the Competition version and have the 3-pedal regular brew because it would be far more interesting to drive. And the M3 recharges in 5 minutes and most importantlyin places where there are good roads to drive it on.

The Tesla might be quicker in a straight line but I suspect some track time will deplete the battery in very short order and not be nearly as much fun as the M3 and then there's the resale value. I'd stick with the M3 all day any day.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Why anyone in Canada would want an EV, even with home charging is a mystery to me because every part of the country gets first shot at a polar vortex.

It's primarily the cities of Vancouver/Victoria, Toronto, Ottawa & Montreal. All bastions of very progressive liberal green enthusiasm.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Your grammar is not correct. "... supposedly I now have 4."

No, because adding 2 and 2 *does equal 4. The only supposition is in whether i have apples. But keep *equivocating.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

No, because adding 2 and 2 *does equal 4. The only supposition is in whether i have apples. But keep *equivocating.

Then you would correctly write that as: "I have two (2) supposed apples, if I add another two (2) supposed apples, then I'd have four (4) supposed apples." i.e. you think the object of the count of two may be apples; they could be another type of fruit similar to an apple, like a Chinese pear.

Why do you people like to try and give others headaches?

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

It's primarily the cities of Vancouver/Victoria, Toronto, Ottawa & Montreal. All bastions of very progressive liberal green enthusiasm.

Reality and current radical left have little in common. The next real Polar Vortex winter will be interesting.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Then you would correctly write that as: "I have two (2) supposed apples, if I add another two (2) supposed apples, then I'd have four (4) supposed apples." i.e. you think the object of the count of two may be apples; they could be another type of fruit similar to an apple, like a Chinese pear.

Why do you people like to try and give others headaches?

Anything but argue the substance, i suppose. Enjoy your circle jerk.

[gonzo]

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[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Anything but argue the substance, i suppose. Enjoy your circle jerk.

Deal with your own limitations. I don't need to.

[Humdizzle]

the new model 3 performance seems to have some good improvements. the styling and seats for one. i agree it seems to be more of a facelift than a new generation. its like 8 years old now. i was listening to the carmudgeon podcast with jason camisa and he said the car is better than an M3 now. His explanation was a bit too far fetched though... basically something to the effect of if its not a high rpm NA engine with a manual and lightweight... why even bother.

[Equilibrandt]

I, for one, would love to see what someone can lap a circuit in the newer Model 3 Performance. It touts a bunch of "Track focused" upgrades, but we all know about Elon/his marketing team/EV Performance car woes. I'd love to see where it stacks up versus other similarly-priced cars on repeated laps of the 'Ring or Suzuka.

Curious to see if anyone'll make meaningful EV track toys that don't Alt+F4 after a few battery cycles. I'd love to see it versus the new i4 LCI and the i5.

Not sure if any of you have driven a 'fast' EV with aggressive regenerative braking, but it's quite... different? Not better, not worse, just a different headspace. Our Taycan and Model Y Performance laps were quite intriguing, being a single speed transmission with a serious sensation of 'engine braking' due to regen. A totally different way to drive fast vs my Miata or M3C.

Originally Posted by beaups

Performance figures or hypothetical 0-60 times? My bike goes 0-60 faster than a M3P at 1/3 the price. Does that make it a useful comparison? Apples and oranges.

If you didn't feel a massive surge of cognitive dissonance as you typed that up, you're clearly not fit for discussion. On what planet is comparing the performance of a bike and a sedan the same as comparing a sedan to a sedan of near-equal performance? Should we throw a Boeing F-16EX Strike Eagle into the 0-60 or MPG calcs? And as for your repeated insistence that everything is hypothetical, I'd direct you to every CarWow review ever where he uses an in-car GPS with an accelerometer to measure 0-60; similar to the twelve Model 3 P videos that came out yesterday.

Good god, move the goalposts further.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

I, for one, would love to see what someone can lap a circuit in the newer Model 3 Performance. It touts a bunch of "Track focused" upgrades, but we all know about Elon/his marketing team/EV Performance car woes. I'd love to see where it stacks up versus other similarly-priced cars on repeated laps of the 'Ring or Suzuka.

Curious to see if anyone'll make meaningful EV track toys that don't Alt+F4 after a few battery cycles. I'd love to see it versus the new i4 LCI and the i5.

Not sure if any of you have driven a 'fast' EV with aggressive regenerative braking, but it's quite... different? Not better, not worse, just a different headspace. Our Taycan and Model Y Performance laps were quite intriguing, being a single speed transmission with a serious sensation of 'engine braking' due to regen. A totally different way to drive fast vs my Miata or M3C.



If you didn't feel a massive surge of cognitive dissonance as you typed that up, you're clearly not fit for discussion. On what planet is comparing the performance of a bike and a sedan the same as comparing a sedan to a sedan of near-equal performance? Should we throw a Boeing F-16EX Strike Eagle into the 0-60 or MPG calcs? And as for your repeated insistence that everything is hypothetical, I'd direct you to every CarWow review ever where he uses an in-car GPS with an accelerometer to measure 0-60; similar to the twelve Model 3 P videos that came out yesterday.

Good god, move the goalposts further.

Agree. The instant available torque is really fun to me. I still haven't gotten bored with it.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

It's primarily the cities of Vancouver/Victoria, Toronto, Ottawa & Montreal. All bastions of very progressive liberal green enthusiasm.

You got the locations right. Full of moroon and liars

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

the new model 3 performance seems to have some good improvements. the styling and seats for one. i agree it seems to be more of a facelift than a new generation. its like 8 years old now. i was listening to the carmudgeon podcast with jason camisa and he said the car is better than an M3 now. His explanation was a bit too far fetched though... basically something to the effect of if its not a high rpm NA engine with a manual and lightweight... why even bother.

Key takeaways from this video:

- the E90 chassis was the last of the real BMW DNA cars
- GM should LS-swap the CT4 Blackwing
- the current BMW 3 Series M CS is overweight and too isolated
- because of the above, the new Model 3P is the better car now

[King_Leonard]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Key takeaways from this video:

- the E90 chassis was the last of the real BMW DNA cars
- GM should LS-swap the CT4 Blackwing
- the current BMW 3 Series M CS is overweight and too isolated
- because of the above, the new Model 3P is the better car now

In case I ever get into an accident with an EV (touch wood), I'd prefer to be in an overweight M3CS.