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      01-13-2020, 02:24 PM   #67
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Presenting it to be a BMW M automobile in their page
So it's classified as a "M" but at the same time M division said they are never doing a FWD car.

Feels like BMW lost their way a bit here.
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Presenting it to be a BMW M automobile in their page
So it's classified as a "M" but at the same time M division said they are never doing a FWD car.

Feels like BMW lost their way a bit here.
Its been almost 3 years they lost their way when they started doing this with M235 etc . E92 had just 335i or 335d , no m badge before the number.
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Its been almost 3 years they lost their way when they started doing this with M235 etc . E92 had just 335i or 335d , no m badge before the number.
Absolutely should have left it this way. Would have accepted 235is as well. But "Marketing", I guess.
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Its been almost 3 years they lost their way when they started doing this with M235 etc . E92 had just 335i or 335d , no m badge before the number.
Absolutely should have left it this way. Would have accepted 235is as well. But "Marketing", I guess.
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Thanks for sharing! Are you able to elaborate about the ways in which these might offer some taste or hint of the G42?
The 2 Gran Coupe does not offer anything in particular to 2 Coupe G42.
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The 2 Gran Coupe does not offer anything in particular to 2 Coupe G42.
Thanks for the reply! I'm looking forward to a G42/maybe G87.
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So it's classified as a "M" but at the same time M division said they are never doing a FWD car.

Feels like BMW lost their way a bit here.
To understand how it is approached and delivered.
BMW MSport and MPerformance are bookends to BMW M.
Sub-Brands within a Brand. With BMWM being a sub-brand of BMW along with BMWi.
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To understand how it is approached and delivered.
BMW MSport and MPerformance are bookends to BMW M.
Sub-Brands within a Brand. With BMWM being a sub-brand of BMW along with BMWi.
It just feels disingenuous to me. This is coming from a guy who use to have the M235i. I feel the car stands on itís own merits without needing the M badge. Whatís worse, is that US site basically passes the M Performance vehicles as full M cars.

Just my opinion. Obviously I donít run BMW so canít control what they do.
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Most people don't know crap. When I had my 2014 F31 with the little m logos on the fenders (my 2017 doesn't have em) people would ask if it's an M car... the enthusiast knows it's not a real M car.
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Its been almost 3 years they lost their way when they started doing this with M235 etc . E92 had just 335i or 335d , no m badge before the number.
Much more than 3 years. The M550d was introduced in 2011 and the F20 M135i was introduced in 2012, for example.
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The x2 M35 weighs about 150lbs more and dynos at 299 whp. With a lower center of gravity and less weight, this will be a really good drive (comparatively speaking). Not sure why people hate on these FWD-based models so much, they drive really well. BMW isn't forgetting it's RWD roots, it just needs cars to raise their MPG average and I think these deliver.

The only eye-brow raiser I see is the fact that this car only has a top speed of 130 when the top speed of the x2 m35 is 155 lol
My sister has an X2. It drives like total garbage. Never once did I think "this drives well" when driving it.

We hate on FWD BMWs because they have gone way too far away from what a BMW should be. These aren't BMWs they are marketing exercises made for people who can't or don't care about what a true BMW should be.

Most importantly these were made to cut costs...building small RWD cars like the original 1-series cost almost as much as building a 3-series but with less profit. Enthusiasts aren't evaluating cost cutting we evaluate how things drive...
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Much more than 3 years. The M550d was introduced in 2011 and the F20 M135i was introduced in 2012, for example.
First time we saw it was in 1985 in the E28 M535i - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_(E28)

Edit: Correction. 1983 E24 M635CSI - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_6_Series_(E24)
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