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I'm confident the M2 will be a 6 cylinder. It has to be a step up from the M135i or at least share the same platform. It wouldn't surprise me if they reused the same N55 engine from the M135i with a different tune and give it the usual M treatment as they have done for the E82 platform. Main differences will be widebody, LSD, M suspension, quad exhaust and M badge. This on its own merits justifies its value, imo.
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This time round could we also expect to see an M2, M2 CSL and possibly an M2 GTS? Given that they will have had time to develop the model series unlike the 1M.
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Granted, this was a long time ago, but at least it shows what BMW M are thinking. Last edited by as7920; 07-11-2012 at 04:21 AM.. |
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I will highlight two... " Next 1M (or M2) and next M3 to possibly receive more focused special editions (i.e. track/lightweight special models)
Followed by "Next 1M (or M2) could come in more variants - coupe and cabrio"! Call me crazy but thats like saying "They may make more performance focused special editions because people feel they have become too focused with luxury" followed by "the next car could come with more luxury variants".... I could be wrong, but thats what I get after a first read of that ![]() |
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I'm glad you're finally acknowledging that you're beating a dead horse with your stipper 1M comments for weight savings. How many times have you tracked, not autocrossed, your 1M and how much of an advantage was the 50# you saved? I'll stop picking on you if you promise to never bring up you stripper BS weight savings comments. ![]()
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07-11-2012, 10:21 AM | #75 |
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What *IF*....
This thread is becoming VERY interesting indeed! ![]() What IF the leaked 1M engine(s) in the bellow photo was actually pulled from the 1M or 1M CSL... and green lighted for the new F88 M3. Seems to me that 332 Kw (451 PS) would fit nicely into BMW thinking for the "next" M3. We already know the 135iS that was also featured in this screen shot - is now a reality. Ok, BMW decided to use the PPK1 so the 135iS has 320 Hp instead of 300 HP. Now... what *IF* BMW were to detune that 451 PS engine and put the HP level somewhere between 135iS and M3, HP - and call it the new M2! I feel this is what will happen. Dack My old screen shot from almost two years ago...
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Interesting point. I think cost and weight will be major factors in their decision process.
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We do know the 1M came with 250 Kw (340 PS) from the factory. We did not know what it would have at the time I posted that screen shot. We know that BMW will bring us the 135iS with 320 HP. (not 306 PS like in this screen shot). We know the next M3 will have a turbocharged six cylinder engine. Not sure on how many turbos - though. Two or three(electrically driven)? What I wonder is... the current e92/e93 M3 will cease production late this year(Oct/'12). And the 1M production is almost finished with(so BMW says?). So what small sporty car will BMW tout as the replacement "halo" car until the next M3 comes out in two years time? Z4M ? The current Z4is35 already is powered by the same engine the 1M has. SO that would not make any sense. Maybe drop the 1M (Z4is35)engine into the X3 ??? I sure hope they do not do that. The future M lineup just does not make any sense to me in the near future. I understand where they are going with the next M3 and M2 models. But I don't understand why they would stop building 1M's - when they are selling like crazy and filling a "void" by the soon to be departed e9x M3. Thoughts? What car will //M have to show off what the M brand is about - for the next few years until the next M3 comes out>? Dackel
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BMW has already announced that the E92/93 M will be running through the 2013 MY, so production will probably end mid 2013.
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I have been waiting to see something "officially released" from BMW AG stating that 1M production has ceased. Frankly I don't believe they have stopped 1M production - not when they still have people with money in hand. I would like to see a press release from BMW stating something/anything! The last I saw (two weeks ago) was on BimmerToday.de when they showed us that Power Green Mamba 1M on the final assembly area in Leipzig Werk. They said 1M production would end soon(days?). But so far no press release form BMW. Not a peep. Why? I am thinking about traveling to Leipzig to see for myself. But I need to find the time to travel there and schedule a factory tour there. ![]() Dack
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I am referring to Dackelone's notorious post almost 2 years ago while waiting for BMW to release information on 1M which included the above leaked photo of some future models including a 1M version destined to US with that stated 451 ps engine. There was a long talk as you can imagine on that at the time. Nothing came out of it till now. Dackel should remind us the original thread.
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Well i don't think the next 1M (M2) will have a smaller engine than the out coming M135, it just wouldn't make sense and more important it will cause problems with potential buyers regarding exhaust notes, maybe the M135 would end being more tunable because of it being an I6 instead of an I4 and many other things. Also on the other hand i can't imagine BMW giving the M2 the same detuned engine of the next M3 because it would be very easy to get some aftermarket tune and get same performance of the next M3 which would only cause problems to BMW cannibalizing M3 sales, and I think they might surprise us and they want the next M3 to stand over all the other M models they offer. Just my 02. cents
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Thats exactly what I would expect an "insider" to say ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I kid I kid ![]() ![]() |
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The forthcoming AMG version of the new A-Class is going to have a tuned 2.0L 4 cyl turbo engine......reputably with around 330hp and 300lbs/ft....as well as a Haldex awd system. ......"The A45 AMG is powered by a heavily revised version of the 2.0-litre turbo four that lesser A Classes will use, AMG's big guns assured us that the A45 will a) have the highest specific output of ANY car, eclipsing even the McLaren 12C, which points to around 330bhp b) more than 300lb ft of torques and c) will sound ruddy marvellous, despite its cylinder deficit. Over to Fritz Eichler, AMG's head of powertrain. ‘The sound our cars make is hugely important, we know that. Which is why I've said to my guys, "I want this thing to sound like a Rory Gallagher guitar solo".' This is our sort of analogy........"
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