[grannyknot]

Originally Posted by tranquility

They were rhetorical questions.

No they weren't, if you don't like the answers you get to your questions don't ask them in the first place.

[R BMW]

My answer, Most drivers.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

They still sell those?

Everyone can read a map, the question is do they want to though?

You'd be surprised how many people do not know how to read a paper map.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by grannyknot

No they weren't, if you don't like the answers you get to your questions don't ask them in the first place.

Haha, why are you getting testy? Ofc they were, as in OF COURSE maps are still sold, just that not many ppl use them, and this leads to my 2nd rhetorical, why use them, when there are BETTER ways to do things now?

I don't care what you do, so there's nothing to like or dislike smh. Jezuz, talk about a touchy granny lmao.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

You'd be surprised how many people do not know how to read a paper map.

Ya, you're right, I should know better than to use absolutes.

[Tambohamilton]

Imagine trying to read a paper map while driving a car in traffic.... Satnav is fecking awesome. I could drive pretty much anywhere in the world and not get lost because the thing that fits in my pocket will simply reroute if I make a mistake and tell me where to go. How is that not a good thing??

My things that don't belong in/on cars; animals (pets or feral), budget tyres, air fresheners, puke, rust... I'm sure there's more that I can't think of right now, or don't know until someone tries to put them in my car

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

Imagine trying to read a paper map while driving a car in traffic.... Satnav is fecking awesome. I could drive pretty much anywhere in the world and not get lost because the thing that fits in my pocket will simply reroute if I make a mistake and tell me where to go. How is that not a good thing??

Yup, imagine whipping up the map spread-eagle in the cabin while trying to drive? GPS is the shizzle, not to mention instant traffic updates/rerouting options, in addition to stuff like police alerts, nearby gas stns, shops, etc, the list is extensive. Now, try that w a paper map. I dunno why some ppl bother unless one is tech-adverse or just plain old obstinate.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

everyone is magellan till the internet goes down

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Piper1

My god how did we ever make it out of an era of playing in the street and all the play ground equipment painted in lead based paint GPS once lead us down the wrong road to a dead end trying to find my folks new place in upstate NY. Turned out it loaded the wrong same name road into our destination with the same address in the same zip. When I called my dad asked him exactly where he said “there’s a big red barn that you take a left at”. A BIG RED BARN in upstate NY is like every corner lol. Stop at a post office and got a paper map and directions because the GPS was utter shite. At some point people need to start using their brains again and start using phones as phones again

btw if you know how to use paper maps and know how to fold them you don’t spread them spread eagle you only have certain sections open at a time that take up less room than an iPad 1. That was before they made them in spiral binders.

I grew up before computers too, but one cannot stop progress. Can't believe there are ppl defending maps, cmon, get w the times. Just cuz you cited a bad blip doesn't mean that's the norm...cmon dude (or dudette).

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

everyone is magellan till the internet goes down

That's true, there was a Twilight Zone episode where all knowledge was in virtual space and electricity didn't exist anymore and everyone went 'dumb' cuz they couldn't access books and other materials.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Piper1

Nothing wrong with progress. BUT there’s something very wrong in the willingness in forgetting what you know or unwillingness to know, which causes us to regress. Being an 18 century living history reenactor for more than half my life I see plenty day by day of us going backward not forward never seeming to learn from our mistakes so we create AI to do it for us. If only 42 was that simple. Seems progress and regress are evolving together.

Ya, I get what you're saying but this massive force is hard to deny, e.g. virtually everyone has a 'smart'phone and relies upon it. There is a fine line between trying to stay alert and putting everything in one's brain/memory vs getting ridiculously tedious though.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

everyone is magellan till the internet goes down

Last I checked, paper maps do not require batteries.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Yup, imagine whipping up the map spread-eagle in the cabin while trying to drive? GPS is the shizzle, not to mention instant traffic updates/rerouting options, in addition to stuff like police alerts, nearby gas stns, shops, etc, the list is extensive. Now, try that w a paper map. I dunno why some ppl bother unless one is tech-adverse or just plain old obstinate.

GPS is about the easiest RF signal to jam. Lol.

[AWDtoRWD]

Originally Posted by RM7

smart phones

why not?

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

...

Rapid City --> Billings

Your best route, and why. Lay it out for us. Don't be shy, now. I know you won't!

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

GPS is about the easiest RF signal to jam. Lol.

Now retrogrouches are just making up stuff lol.

Originally Posted by dradernh

Rapid City --> Billings

Your best route, and why. Lay it out for us. Don't be shy, now. I know you won't!

Why would I bother going to 2 insignificant places? LOL.

Srsly, I bet I could read the map better than most of you guys, I lived in HK *pre* GPS and made my own itineraries; it's nothing like in N Amer w straight roads and where you miss an exit and you can easily take the next one doubling-back. Don't even bother ppl.


Anyway, enough of this silly map fetish. What the....

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Piper1

My god how did we ever make it out of an era of playing in the street and all the play ground equipment painted in lead based paint GPS once lead us down the wrong road to a dead end trying to find my folks new place in upstate NY. Turned out it loaded the wrong same name road into our destination with the same address in the same zip. When I called my dad asked him exactly where he said “there’s a big red barn that you take a left at”. A BIG RED BARN in upstate NY is like every corner lol. Stop at a post office and got a paper map and directions because the GPS was utter shite. At some point people need to start using their brains again and start using phones as phones again

btw if you know how to use paper maps and know how to fold them you don’t spread them spread eagle you only have certain sections open at a time that take up less room than an iPad 1. That was before they made them in spiral binders.

You do realize pretty much all modern GPS/navigation systems ARE maps right? You could just turn off navigation and use it solely as a map. I've done it. You can also download them, so they work offline. I'm also pretty sure almost anyone could figure out how to read a map if they needed to.

Personally, I prefer celestial navigation myself.

[Joachim]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Last I checked, paper maps do not require batteries.

Checked it a week ago on a longer Sunday walk in the country's forest near 10 pm. Thank god I had batteries for the flash light of my cellphone.
(Yes, today is my mean day.)

[Tambohamilton]

Originally Posted by Piper1

Batteries dying low signal poor connection electrical gremlins instant updates at the worst possible time…..

1. In-car charger
2. Happens, but rare. Only happened to me once in ~15 years.
3. Same as 2?
4. Turn them off if that's a concern.
Bear in mind you can download map sections to your phone, so you don't need internet except for traffic updates etc.

The bit that satnav really rules at is when you make a mistake; with paper maps it's a scramble to figure out what you did/where you are now, and how to get back on your original route. Satnav will do all that without you having to pull over.

I've been stung by an incorrect destination once - never again. Just have to check when you put it in instead of blindly accepting. Same story for when it directs you through a ford etc (yes, that can happen on this side of the pond)

[M5Rick]

Route paper map studied before and a dash mounted lighted compass will ensure you are heading in the right direction.

[grannyknot]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Haha, why are you getting testy? Ofc they were, as in OF COURSE maps are still sold, just that not many ppl use them, and this leads to my 2nd rhetorical, why use them, when there are BETTER ways to do things now?

I don't care what you do, so there's nothing to like or dislike smh. Jezuz, talk about a touchy granny lmao.

I've noticed many times in your threads as soon as anyone disagrees with your opinion you immediately go on the attack and try to ridicule them. It's a childish method of dealing with an opposing view and revels more about you than it does rebut the others persons argument.
What's the point of asking a question that you already have the answer for?

For me, GPS is not better, I've used it a few times but I don't want to become reliant on something that could dissapear at any time. it's just one of a number of other useless items that are found in cars these days, which is what your thread is all about isn't it?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Now retrogrouches are just making up stuff lol.

So, you'd be quite wrong. And you are ignorant to the level how much of the World's finance, payment and transportation industries rely on GPS timing to operate their networks. If you care to educate yourself Goggle something called "eLORAN".