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      04-25-2019, 08:10 PM   #133
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The 997 is what 15 years old now? A car that was developed in the early 2000s should be all you need to know. I prefer my 991.2S, my 718 GTS and even my Macan GTS over either my M3 or M4 that I owned - they are fun at any speed whereas the M cars arenít even really fun driving fast because you have to hear the god awful sound of the thing. I donít get the feeling that the current M cars are special...at least not comparably. The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they donít do it for me.
Porsches current line up continues to be some of, if not the best, cars on the market.
I get it - you prefer Porsches and I would agree that the F8X cars from factory could / should sound better, but it's an easy fix.

However, the S55 engine is better than the Macan's or the 997.
More responsive, more power and revs higher.

You can't say that the F8X doesn't rev - it's got a higher redline than the Macan or the 997.
M4: 7,800 vs 997: 7,500 vs Macan: 6,800.

So when you say "The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they donít do it for me."
Did you even get it out of Efficiency mode?


The real point is that many Porsche fanatics have been disappointed with the 991 and some with the 992.
I know of a couple in my home town that have cancelled their orders on new 992's and are looking for 997 GT3's.

The 992 looks great, but it's no longer true to the 911's of old.
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      04-25-2019, 11:32 PM   #134
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I get it - you prefer Porsches and I would agree that the F8X cars from factory could / should sound better, but it's an easy fix.

However, the S55 engine is better than the Macan's or the 997.
More responsive, more power and revs higher.

You can't say that the F8X doesn't rev - it's got a higher redline than the Macan or the 997.
M4: 7,800 vs 997: 7,500 vs Macan: 6,800.

So when you say "The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they donít do it for me."
Did you even get it out of Efficiency mode?


The real point is that many Porsche fanatics have been disappointed with the 991 and some with the 992.
I know of a couple in my home town that have cancelled their orders on new 992's and are looking for 997 GT3's.

The 992 looks great, but it's no longer true to the 911's of old.
The s55 is a mediocre turbo engine at best , sure it can rev out to 7800 ( more like 7500 ) but power starts dropping at 6500 ,so youíre reving it out for no reason.

S55 is a better motor than a macan ,Iíll give you that. I disagree that s55 is better than 997 , your argument was that the s55 made more power? Try driving a 997.2 and see ,that an f8x does not compare to a 911 period regardless ,regardless of the numbers on paper. For example s55 makes more power than 991.2 ,yet its slower by quite a margin.

Why do you say a 992 is no longer a 911?
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      04-26-2019, 09:06 AM   #135
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I just think they are different cars. I could daily an M car but would prefer to keep dailying my Saab and add a 997 911 S. The whole no turbo thing is huge, so much more of a visceral experience.

I'd consider the previous M3 with a screaming V8 as a daily to run just one car but a) they are hideously expensive to run and b) the vert (my toy car must be a vert) weighs like 4,000 pounds.
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I get it - you prefer Porsches and I would agree that the F8X cars from factory could / should sound better, but it's an easy fix.

However, the S55 engine is better than the Macan's or the 997.
More responsive, more power and revs higher.

You can't say that the F8X doesn't rev - it's got a higher redline than the Macan or the 997.
M4: 7,800 vs 997: 7,500 vs Macan: 6,800.

So when you say "The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they donít do it for me."
Did you even get it out of Efficiency mode?


The real point is that many Porsche fanatics have been disappointed with the 991 and some with the 992.
I know of a couple in my home town that have cancelled their orders on new 992's and are looking for 997 GT3's.

The 992 looks great, but it's no longer true to the 911's of old.
I never drove in anything but Sport plus but genuinely never put a smile on my face whereas my Porsches leave my grinning.
The s55 is mediocre at best. It pales in comparison to the turbo 911 engines or something like the MB M177. Redline also means very little given the s55 loses steam after 5500 rpm where the 911s pull hard to redline. It sounds awful (I had MPE and made the bad sound louder) and just isnít fun to drive - too spikey and suspension was 3rd rate at best along with the overall quality and it was either numb steering or overly weighted fake feeling steering.
My Macan GTS is just a nicer car, sounds better, is as responsive. I donít need it to be the fastest car but it just is a nicer car to drive and be in. And the 911 and 718 are obviously just all around better cars in any regard to performance and handling.
The 991 was Porsche pushing the 911 to GT which Iíve been saying for a while. I have not been disappointed in their cars and given sales anyone who can afford one hasnít either. Journalists praise it to no end, even most so when itís a GT but no one else builds anywhere near as cohesive and well put together, near perfect package at they do...in any of their cars.

The 992 which is only the entry level is putting down supercar numbers with still relatively low HP ratings. Running 7:25 on the Ring with 444 hp is something no other manufacturer could pull off. And to think what the GTS, Turbo, Turbo S and GT cars will do. Porsche is at the top of the game and have been for a while. The 992 is still as close to roots as you get given the ever changing environment and need to evolve.

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      04-27-2019, 04:46 AM   #137
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Real problem with the 992 - is the price for me, that is at least.
My wife went in to get a new badge for the Macan, as the original one broke, whilst washing it. Did you know that the badge is made out of crap very breakable plastic?

Anyway, she sent me a photo of the new 4S - looks great, but it's $US 240k here, basically double what an M4 is over here.
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