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      03-05-2021, 12:02 PM   #23
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Instead of the M division doing a real supercar as a flagship, they will do a 25 special editions with painted headrests and an extra set of badges for an extra 20000€.
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Could this be why requests for Laguna Seca Blue on the G80/G82 have been denied?
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I remember reading about a 3.0M CSE coming in March 2022 on the forums some time ago, wonder if there's any truth to that...
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I remember reading about a 3.0M CSE coming in March 2022 on the forums some time ago, wonder if there's any truth to that...
Doubtful. The designers have already said making retro styled cars (such as the 3.0 Hommage Concept) is a sign of brand weakness/being lost, so that won't happen, and the M Vision Concept which is really just an i8 with an extra cylinder, seems to always be on again off again, with its current status being off. BMW sadly won't let M build a true sports car/flagship vehicle, they would much prefer M to build an X8M.
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Would be nice if they offered any Individual paint for free or a flat $1k for that year
Lol that's not how it works
They'll use that year to pre-package bunch of unique 50th
anniversary interior/exterior colors for a huge premium, along with 50 stickers and miniscule changes in performance
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Could this be why requests for Laguna Seca Blue on the G80/G82 have been denied?
I was going to post this.
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Could this be why requests for Laguna Seca Blue on the G80/G82 have been denied?
I was going to post this.
Besides Laguna Seca Blue, have any other Individual Manufackor colors been denied such as San Marino Blue?

Wouldn't surprise me if the rumored X8M is released towards the end of March 2023 with the rumored hybrid engine to celebrate 50 years.

BMW M had this billboard at the Ring celebrating 40 years.
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Well I'm excited for this...but then I did remember what BMW gave us for their 100 years.

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Would be nice if they offered any Individual paint for free or a flat $1k for that year
Lol that's not how it works
They'll use that year to pre-package bunch of unique 50th
anniversary interior/exterior colors for a huge premium, along with 50 stickers and miniscule changes in performance
Hard to argue with that, I suspect your probably spot on.
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Well I'm excited for this... But then I did remember what BMW gave us for their 100 years.

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I'm actually more concerned about the Next 10 years

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The G80 more than lives up to the M3 Nameplate. Believe me.
If you went back 10 years and said the future M3 is going to be 4K lbs, AWD, torque converter, nose-heavy, with in-your-face styling and likely numb steering, I think almost everyone would agree it does not fit the M3 nameplate. I think the slow drip of info has made people not realize how much of a deviation it is.

I'm not saying it's a bad car or won't drive well by any means - I'm sure it'll be great. But objectively it has a very different design ethos. I believe the primary motivation for the change is cost savings while chasing 0 - 60 times.

It'd be really interesting to see a survey of how many E46 owners are interested in the G8X compared to old gen owners of 911 or Wranglers and their interest in respective current gen models. I believe those models have done a better job of making progress without deviating from what they represent.

Regardless, excited to see the reviews and eventually drive one for myself.
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P58 is the Racing/Prototype version of the S58 It is a P3 MHEV.
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I'm not uncertain its a transaxle in the back and a P58 up front.
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It isn't a volume production vehicle.
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Turbine Energy Recovery System (electric-compound turbochargers)
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Have to mark the occasion with something more than a concept
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I think lemetier inside knowledge has debunked that theory...
It definitely sounds like a straight six in the video that I posted on the previous page (listen with headphones to get the best sound).
The info provided so far points towards a anniversary special limited edition model that has a P58 engine with MGU-H and possibly MGU-K (to use F1 lingo) and a transaxle. The CSL hommage is a pointer as to what kind of car this will be (hopefully).
Oh, and the Batmobile celebrates 50 years in 2023 btw...
This article on the CSL hommage also gives som hints as to why the mule has the air ducts in the rear side windows:
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...e-2015-review/
And I also remembered this YouTube video on the CSL Hommage by Supercar blondie where the head of BMW Design said something very interesting about possible production of the car. The whole video is worth seeing, but skip to the 13:00 mark to hear what he says about production possibilities
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The 50th Anniversary of Bmw ///Motorsport and launch of the E9 3.0 CSL is May 1, 2022.
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It would appear this may be a test mule for a bespoken CSL Homage model using the new P58 engine coupled to a transaxle.
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Markus Flasch has already announced “a year full of surprises”: “If I mention the keyword special edition models, it should be clear what our customers can look forward to during the anniversary year.”
Emphasis added.
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...ered-worldwide
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An oldie but goodie comparo from R&T 7 years ago...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...roup-a-bmw-m3/

I'm not suggesting that BMW bring back the E30, E36 or E46, but I enjoy driving my naturally-aspirated, S54-equipped, 2004 M3 much more than today's bigger, heavier, turbocharged, automatic M3/M4.

In stark contrast, Porsche is still developing and producing AMAZING naturally aspirated engines, as well as AMAZING manual gearboxes for its GT cars.
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BMW had a chance to make some 2002's back in 02 and did not. Thought that would be a great way to do an homage but they skipped it.

It's going to be a few badged cars in my opinion with some toys and maybe few extra hp/tq.
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As long as it's not a 4cyl hybrid engine like the new AMG C 63, it should sell
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maybe an M3 from this new generation worthy of being called an M3 (not getting my hopes up)
The G80 more than lives up to the M3 Nameplate. Believe me.
And will most likely be the last non electric/hybrid.

All the people complaining are stuck in the past (not saying it's a bad thing) but the truth is sticks have been dying for years, small fraction of sales are manual transmission now, sports cars and super cars. Gas engines are next to die and it's coming quicker than people think. Look at Mercedes, Audi and Porsche will be next and I bet BMW is last to fall of the Europeans. Jaguar and Volvo already said they are going all electric sooner than later.

Point is enjoy cars like the G80 while we still have them because it's not going to get any better than this generation for combustion engine and option of a manual transmission. Get over the grill, Or go buy an Inline 4 C63
Imagine the full electric M3 with a 1 speed transmission, people on these forums are going to lose their minds.
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We need an M0.
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Very good shout. And here is Markus Flasch hinting (in German) at an M-only vehicle in the very near future. After being asked if it'll be out in under five years, he responded with, "more like in half that time" so that's two years from now. I'd say this all aligns with the above quotes from lemetier.
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Very good shout. And here is Markus Flasch hinting (in German) at an M-only vehicle in the very near future. After being asked if it'll be out in under five years, he responded with, "more like in half that time" so that's two years from now. I'd say this all aligns with the above quotes from lemetier.
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BMW Today: "One thing I have ask you because it's been mentioned so many times in the forums. You brought out the M2. Then you upgraded to the Competition. Now we can see a CS. Will there be also a CSL or what is the overall strategy ?"
Markus Flasch: "To be honest, we haven't decided yet, but we will do more Sondermodelle [special models] than in the past. We want to show that our cars are deriven from the race track and we want to close the gap between competition high-performance car and a race car. And the CS, or maybe even a CSL, alternatives that we are elaborating."
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