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01-16-2020, 04:21 PM | #89 | ||
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If you want a true track-oriented car, why are you buying one with a back seat? Let alone all the other creature comforts. Meanwhile it's a crime if I get a sunroof as oppose to the carbon roof, for 40 pounds? Please.
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01-16-2020, 04:25 PM | #90 |
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01-16-2020, 04:26 PM | #91 |
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"An M340 IS an M car!!!🥺"
...says everyone that doesn't drive an actual M car. Get over it, its not an ///M |
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Being a finance guy, I tried so hard to convince myself that a 335i/435i/M340i etc was close enough to a true M car so I could save the money. After many extensive test drives though, I understood why the true M cars are so special and worth that price difference if its within your means. Your 435i is pretty and I'm sure is quite quick in a straight line, but please don't go around telling people it's an M car. It's not even an M435i, there was simply no such thing in 2015. That's like a 335i owner saying he now has an M335i because BMW is currently producing the M340i... |
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01-16-2020, 04:27 PM | #93 |
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In my opinion it doesn't make much sense. The M340i is almost exactly the same car as a 330i M Sport with a bigger engine and all the sport options checked off. Same body panels, same suspension, same interior options, etc. The M3 has a different suspension geometry and components and most of the sheetmetal is unique. It also has unique interior with standard higher trim leather that is not readily available on the 330i/M340i. It truly is a heavily revised car with potential to be a track focused car.
In the end, I couldn't care less though. The only reason I'm moving up to a G80 next gen is for the manual transmission. I personally would have been more than happy with an M340i 6MT and many years of happy modifications. |
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Albert Biermann must be at a corner laughing at the moment ..
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01-16-2020, 04:31 PM | #95 |
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01-16-2020, 04:32 PM | #96 |
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Just to weigh in here...as an actual "M" driver (my daily driver is a tuned M6 competition) and having previously owed several other M cars, I bought the wife a new M340 at Christmas time and its a great car with good power and a nice interior. Not ready to give up the M6, but the M340 is a better car around town no doubt and that's what it will be used for.
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Anyone who buys a "M-Performance" whatever was never the intended buyer of a full M car in the first place. They're simply cut from a different cloth. Like comparing Nike ACG joggers to a pair of fitted slacks. "M-Performance" vehicles are glorified grocery getters and commuters with a sprinkling of fun. Full blown M cars are (rather, were) built for fun as a priority, and the utilitarianism came second. ![]()
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01-16-2020, 04:33 PM | #98 |
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So does this guy get a pass too?
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01-16-2020, 04:34 PM | #99 |
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He wasn't wrong when he said M now stands for ///Marketing more than anything else.
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dont care what the badge says. the m340i just doesnt look the part
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01-16-2020, 04:37 PM | #102 | |
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Perhaps in the new G platform, the differences between m340i and m3 comp may not be that different - hence the badging but that was not the case with the older (e9x, e4x) m3 and 3 series. Significant chassis, suspension and engine changes. |
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01-16-2020, 04:38 PM | #103 |
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Surprised by the amount of people supporting BMW on this thread... really guys? M is supposed to represent the sports side of the brand. Tuned for 'colourful' driving. Sacrificing comfort in favour of rawness. Ultimate fun. That visceral sensation of feeling the road at your fingertips. A 'hell with the luxuries'. It doesn't mean 'fast commuter'. Bit by bit, 'M' is losing its meaning. It doesn't just mean 'fast'. 'My m340i can out-drag X'... I don't care. A Tesla can out-drag most things on the planet, doesn't make it a sports car... does it? Yes, an M340i etc are quick cars, but they aren't designed to be sports cars. I've driven an M240i on track back-to-back against my M2 and it's not the same, at all.
I haven't got an issue with a 'performance' variant of standard cars, but why pretend they are M, they're not. This is just marketing fluff gone lazy. The irony is that diluting the brand like this simply makes it less special and less desirable. People like to aim high, even if they can't get it. People like to dream. People fantasise of 'Ferrari' because it means something. If Ferrari started making commuter cars that were fast, but not 'Ferrari', the brand would die and the enthusiasts would move to a more serious brand. Just take a look at how many M owners are shifting towards Porsche. Says it all really. |
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Of course . The sad part for me is that i wont follow the next m cars because of those few details. I can see that marketing is strong nowadays , but you cant just sell the M history in this way. Audi has S cars as well , but there is as well the RS segment which is considered their best performance cars. E92 335i had just a M package and thats all ! Its the same as now with the "M"235i etc. M135 xdrive 2.0L 4cyl is an M car , X2 35 as well same . Happy to see Albert left after making the M2/3/4 at least. After those models , a lot changed , grills etc , but most important the marketing. Maybe the next car will be a KIA or Huyndai really ! Ill keep up with my M2 as my performance car , but even for my daily car i wouldnt go for a BMW anymore.
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Loss of brand identity always heralds the demise of a company. We'll see where BMW stands in the next few decades - my money is on them being an unapologetic luxury car maker foremost; these days they're only pretending to still car about making sports cars. They day where they stop even pretending is around the corner. Porsche owns the sport-enthusiast driving demographic and they're not going anywhere (see: 718 receiving the 6cyl due to overwhelming feedback. Bravo). They're a textbook case study on how to capture volume and market share while not completely chastising your identity.
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Well if they sold Alpinas in the US fewer people would buy M3s to commute.
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We can debate back and forth all day long the merits of daily driving, track use and which is better blah blah, but I was under the impression that the definition of a "true M car" is one that BMW's M division engineers actually work on and develop.
BMW can slap a "M" on whatever cars they want, but to me a real "M" is the one that undergoes M division engineering, R&D, and development. Any car that has the regular BMW development but with an added power kit or sport suspension is and always will be ///Marketing. Actually the real definition should be whether you're allowed to partake in BMWs M Track days or not: I got an invite to an upcoming event and my buddy in an M340i didn't. He specially called the host dealership and asked if he could take part in it, and the GM said nope, only for real M cars. They won't let him attend this summer in his brand new M340i, but I get to go with my 2 year old last gen M3 ![]() |
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01-16-2020, 04:51 PM | #109 |
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It's simple
M car is a platform-based, M designed car w/a minor exception or two (1M, OG M2). M version car (e.g., M340i) is a "breathed-on" or in old school terms "hot rodded" car. Simple as that. The track factor is: if you can put racing brake fluid and pads in the car, and R compounds on it, and It can survive a 10 track event season, it's a true M (SUVs excluded). An M performance version won't be durable enough - period. Easy :-) |
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LOL I suspect anything M striped accessories will sky rocket in sales since BMW justified it for non M cars being M cars...
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