08-18-2022, 09:08 AM | #112 |
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When y'all are through with the double reach-arounds, consider that EV demand has little to do with actual care for the environment or social consciousness and way more to do with ego and being seen as having those traits. That Southpark episode nailed it. Not really a demographic with which I want to be associated... unable to think for myself and just throwing money at anything to strengthen the echo chamber that tells me how great, special, and unique I am.
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08-18-2022, 10:34 AM | #114 |
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Maybe they will first release like an i8 full electric "super M" car even before the M3/M4 to showcase the performance and technology?
Still to me from a driving passion way of looking at things, electric cars don't appeal to me due to no gears, no sound, and heavy weight. Maybe they are a good solution for commuting in cities but not for driving fans that want emotion and feeling... Hopefully Porsche and F1 can bring a solution with the eco fuels, maybe the future is hybrid with eco fuels, or something completely different to electric only.
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08-18-2022, 11:12 AM | #115 |
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I'm all onboard for an M-EV and here's why I think so:
-Torque!! -you will get the advantages of low CG -alot more space to improve suspension geometry (esp in the front) -4 motors driving wheels gives infinite options for driving dynamics -reproducing engine sound in the cabin/exterior is a trivial thing with transducers and resonance chambers. I bet you'll be able to choose from any legacy M-car sound at the push of a button -better infotainment features -more space in the cabin/trunks -reliability will go up big time (low maintenance, just software updates and brake pad/tire changes) |
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08-18-2022, 11:27 AM | #116 | |
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1. Ability to cool/heat the cabin remotely, without starting up an ICE. 2. Much cheaper fueling costs via electricity, think 1/5th to 1/2 to what you pay in gas. 3. Maintenance - you mentioned, but it's actually better than what you hinted. Cheaper overall cost of ownership (because less to do), less time spent at a dealer, even less brake pad replacements due to re-gen braking, so basically just tires and cabin air filters is all you need. 4. Single-gear transmission means a more direct, more comfortable driving experience for driver + passengers. |
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08-18-2022, 11:34 AM | #117 |
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I do wonder about this one. The US grid has issues handling the load today during the winter and summer high points. I imagine when EVs become more commonplace they will place a significant load on the grid. More demand can also mean more $$$. How else are you going to charge your car and get around (the mentality of the oil/gas companies today...can charge whatever, really)? Unless infinite nuclear power or some other technology comes about, I'm not quite sure how long electricity will remain "cheap."
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08-18-2022, 12:15 PM | #118 | |
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We also have the free market to work out potential demand spikes, i.e. reduced electricity rates (for charging EVs) during overnight hours, etc. |
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08-18-2022, 12:30 PM | #119 |
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Man, do y'all throw a hissy fit every time you have to ask for a straw? Don't want an EV? Don't get an EV.
You don't see any of the EV-lovers running over to your table screaming about you using a straw when you could drink from the cup. It's a free market. Shame y'all only want 400+ horsepower if it's burning dinosaurs. EVs in performance and motorsports open an absolutely insane amount of doors.
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08-18-2022, 06:34 PM | #123 | |
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In regards to charging, if you are using a level 2, to me it shouldn't be different than people who cook or do laundry throughout the day or night in millions of households across the states.
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08-18-2022, 07:43 PM | #124 |
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It'll be interesting to watch manufacturers attempt to create character and passion where there isn't any. I see this story like someone touting the most advanced sex doll ever. It might be groundbreaking but I'm still not interested.
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08-18-2022, 09:15 PM | #125 |
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This place is just as bad as the 'vette forums.
Criticize something BMW does, get banned. The anti-EV circlejerk though? Completely acceptable apparently. Hopefully this will be on NK and not CLAR, and not weigh 2.5 tons like the i4 M50. I'd be in for one then. We've had basically the same Rube Goldberg machines for nearly a century now, and we're pretty near the limits of what they can do. It's time for something new. Keep driving old cars if you want, let the rest of us enjoy new technology. |
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Your mindset of filling up your gas tank at 9pm vs. noon/lunch-break is not analogous to how you charge an EV. You plug it in when you're done driving for the day (even if that's 10pm at night). When you wake up every single day with 100% charge, you don't need to 'fill up on your lunch break'. Last edited by Alpine Wait; 08-18-2022 at 11:02 PM.. |
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4 EVs in a household shouldn't be an issue, either. Today, each of those 4 people have a cell phone right. Imagine if your cell phone battery charge lasted 1-3 weeks at a time, but your entire family only had a couple phone chargers in the house. Surely your family could figure out how to make that work? And today's L2 home chargers already have the intelligence and connectivity to stagger charging loads among multiple vehicles and account for variable-rate electric plans. The electrical supply in the US (while not perfect), handled a much greater capacity increase via the buildout of virtually every home in the southern states needing/using central AC over the past 50 years. That takes much more power than the potential of a couple of EVs per every household. And no one said "stop building homes with central air or you're going to wreck the grid". I'm done with the straw man arguments, you fellas aren't going to buy these BMW M EVs, anyways. More for the rest of us, I suppose! |
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