[tranquility]

The amount of badge snobbery is astonishing. Every maker started somewhere, not as if they automatically became premium brands. Respect (and rep) is earned, not given. So if a supposed premium maker starts to slip, they shouldn't be allowed to rest on their laurels (thereby continuing to charge ridiculous prices for substandard products). The reason we have overpriced widgets is due to blind and stubborn badge snobs.

[FuriouslyFast]

Originally Posted by s4awd

I have an M4 and a G63. Had to drive to Niagara Falls from NYC (9 hours) in my M4 and jumped into a Kia Optima to help out a friend who was tired.

MAN!!! that thing is NICE with the driver assist. Super smooth and solid. The days of getting out of a Hyundai/Kia and into a BMW and having your mind blown are over. It was the reverse for me as I was like, "Damn this is nice!". All car manufacturers are catching up.

Go sit in a Kona, you'll hate them again

[FuriouslyFast]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Have any data/info to back up your claim? (generally curious about what information is out there) I thought the CX-9 was the least reliable Mazda. Either way, Mazda has improved so much within the last few years, especially once they split from Ford. My son's first Mazda 6, a 2011, we took from 40k to 150k and had no issues with at all, just regular maintenance and upkeep. He isn't worried too much about his current 6 either, he's leasing it.

I have had 3 Miatas & 2 Mazdaspeed GTs. They were all great. Gf just got a Fiata & a 2019 CX-5. I dig em both

[joshuastein55]

Originally Posted by FuriouslyFast

I have had 3 Miatas & 2 Mazdaspeed GTs. They were all great. Gf just got a Fiata & a 2019 CX-5. I dig em both

Great cars, a Miata even in Fiat form is hard to beat for roadsters. I'll be interested to see what they're going to do with the inline 6 that they're developing for the next Mazda 6. I'd love to see it in a Miata, I think a naturally aspirated I6 Miata would be an awesome car!