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      09-07-2019, 09:57 AM   #1123
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I REALLY wish the styling of the Supra wasn't so over the top. It's dialed up to 11 whereas an 8 would do. Too many fake vents, fins, foils, and a wonky nose. Otherwise, the shape is nice and overall, it's pretty damn killer car. Perhaps I'll change my mind when I see one in person.
I have two comments here.

1. I completely agree with your opinion on the Supra styling. They went too far with faking the funk.

2. The Supra does look better in person. I'm just not sure this point overcomes the first one for me.
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I also don't get the complaint on the ZF vs DCT. The ZF shifts just as quickly, so who cares what type of auto it is? I don't care if it's literal hamsters pulling strings, I care about the end result.
I haven't driven the Supra, but I have driven ZFs and DCT. My 340i vs 135i extensively and shorter drives in Ms. Wouldn't be surprised if the shift speeds are the same, but the dct did feel like a more aggressive shift. It might all be in my mind, but I miss the dct.
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That's all? TIL Sentras are driver's cars now
You know that is not what I mean, let's move on.
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      09-09-2019, 07:17 PM   #1126
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Launch Edition Supra auction on Bring a Trailer just ended, it barely reached msrp and didn’t sell.
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      09-10-2019, 08:29 AM   #1127
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You know that is not what I mean, let's move on.
Because what you meant to say is that it is not enough of a driver's car for you, which is perfectly valid, but let's not act like a driver's car is so cut and dry that it can be determined from a spec sheet.
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      09-11-2019, 11:37 AM   #1129
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Launch Edition Supra auction on Bring a Trailer just ended, it barely reached msrp and didnít sell.
People will attempt the same with the C8. In one year, there will be plenty of Supras and C8s to buy at MSRP or less. I'm eyeballing that white 1997 NSX-T on BAT right now. Now THAT is a true sports car
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      09-11-2019, 01:17 PM   #1130
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Kind of interesting that they're going back to a air to air intercooler.
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Kind of interesting that they're going back to a air to air intercooler.
I think they were just trying to find the path of least resistance to be the first to hit 1000hp
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      09-11-2019, 11:24 PM   #1133
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Having the "Supra" name as much as people hate that its not a Toyota is really only gonna help us BMW Folk... All these other world known tuners and shops are gonna mod the crap out of the B58 leading to more BMW friendly parts and maybe more future mods.
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      09-12-2019, 06:31 AM   #1134
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I wonder how much that benefit flow to my "older" B58 engine though...
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I wonder how much that benefit flow to my "older" B58 engine though...
Not much until you upgrade to the newer fuel system
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Who’s double standards would that be?
Not calling anyone out specifically. Just making a general comment about people on this thread (and the old one) complaining about fake vents on a $50k car, but says nothing about it on much more expensive makes and models. But I do agree with the majority, fake vents are never ok.

In other news, Special Edition Misano Blue for 2021 year model?



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Not calling anyone out specifically. Just making a general comment about people on this thread (and the old one) complaining about fake vents on a $50k car, but says nothing about it on much more expensive makes and models. But I do agree with the majority, fake vents are never ok.

In other news, Special Edition Misano Blue for 2021 year model?



That is a nice looking blue. Plus, some witty comment on how they are already releasing special releases to boost sales and what does this mean to the current Launch Edition special releases....
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That is a nice looking blue. Plus, some witty comment on how they are already releasing special releases to boost sales and what does this mean to the current Launch Edition special releases....
Not only that, but everyone that got the 335hp version is getting screwed because someone at the dealer event did confirm that the 2021 model year will get a power bump (385hp) as hinted by bimmerpost insider.
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Not only that, but everyone that got the 335hp version is getting screwed because someone at the dealer event did confirm that the 2021 model year will get a power bump (385hp) as hinted by bimmerpost insider.
I don't know if I'd go that far. It does seem the 335 number is very underrated compared to the dyno charts we've seen, right?
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I don't know if I'd go that far. It does seem the 335 number is very underrated compared to the dyno charts we've seen, right?
12 Supra vins were found with the B58D/382hp version which is what is in the M340i and Z4 so it is definitely being considered

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I don't know if I'd go that far. It does seem the 335 number is very underrated compared to the dyno charts we've seen, right?
Correct, but the "385hp" is most likely also underrated. Also, I believe bimmerpost insider has said the B58D has stronger internals.
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Correct, but the "385hp" is most likely also underrated. Also, I believe bimmerpost insider has said the B58D has stronger internals.
At this point it feels like Tada is trying to one up Elon on how to best piss off early adopters. Is there a sense that some of these changes are reactionary or if they were planned from the start?

I have literally no knowledge on running a car company, but it feels like the Supra is going to be a HBR on how not to launch a car. Fatigue from years of teases, the perception of selling out a beloved brand (I.e. rebadging a BMW), a design that is polarizing, but considered too boring from the design experiment, poor timing of the actual launch with the near perfect reveal of an objectively storied competitor car, weaker tech specs compared to the car it sold it's soul to and almost instant rumors of better versions coming out the next year.

I like the Supra, but I wanted to love it as a replacement to the Z4 coupe. Just not there, but depending on how depreciation hits it maybe I will consider it one day.
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At this point it feels like Tada is trying to one up Elon on how to best piss off early adopters. Is there a sense that some of these changes are reactionary or if they were planned from the start?

I have literally no knowledge on running a car company, but it feels like the Supra is going to be a HBR on how not to launch a car. Fatigue from years of teases, the perception of selling out a beloved brand (I.e. rebadging a BMW), a design that is polarizing, but considered too boring from the design experiment, poor timing of the actual launch with the near perfect reveal of an objectively storied competitor car, weaker tech specs compared to the car it sold it's soul to and almost instant rumors of better versions coming out the next year.

I like the Supra, but I wanted to love it as a replacement to the Z4 coupe. Just not there, but depending on how depreciation hits it maybe I will consider it one day.
Yes, most people including myself would have preferred an in-house project, but it is what it is. With that said...

How so? Tada-san has stated that the car will receive yearly updates. I don't see how that is any different than what other auto makers have done in the past. When I brought my 05 545i for BMW to only release the 550i for the 2006 year model.

To be fair tons of other sports cars (NSX, GTR, FR-S/86 etc.) have gone through the same process. It isn't an automakers fault that auto media has nothing better to do then to run the same stories over and over with slightly angles.

Rebaded BMW: That would be true if BMW was already developing a new Z4 and Toyota jumped on and piggy backed on the process. The fact is that both companies worked together on a joint chassis for both cars. Yes I know the drivetrain and suspension came from the BMW parts bin. Love it or hate it, we're going to see more of these joint ventures for low volume niche products.

Weaker tech: Well there is a huge price differences between the I6 Supra and Z4 M40i. Looking at the sales and reviews, I think most people are just fine with less tech.

Poor timing: You can blame BMW for stalling this project for a whole year.

Polarizing design: I'm just wondering if you have seen one in person? I thought it look like shit in photo until I see one at the dealer. A lot of other people on various forums felt the same way as well. You can't please everyone, but for a $50k car I think it looks pretty nice in the flesh.
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