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      11-26-2018, 06:22 PM   #1
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M performance steering wheel with race display

I'm thinking about getting this wheel, however I like the one with the V-shaped cover, which is the one for the M2/M4 -reference #32302413015-



Anybody knows if it can be fitted to a F20/F21? I guess the corresponding v-shaped back cover is needed, but other than that?

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      11-28-2018, 02:24 PM   #2
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Just in case it helps somebody else, it seems that the wheel is compatible with al the FXX chassis cars, albeit the wiring might be different depending on where the FA can signals are carried on the connectors of the FEM.

So other than that, and the back wheel cover I need to get, seems I'm good to go!
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      11-29-2018, 11:49 AM   #3
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Yes it is compatible,i have seen it on a f20 that was for sale once
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      11-30-2018, 11:23 AM   #4
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Yes it is compatible,i have seen it on a f20 that was for sale once
Thanks for confirming emil111. Just to be sure, I'm referring to this one, which is the reference for the M cars, right?



And not this one, which is the wheel listed for the rest of the FXX cars:



Kind regards.
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      11-30-2018, 11:50 AM   #5
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the only difference i can see is the wheel cover,which works on any M wheel

https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=78
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      11-30-2018, 01:12 PM   #6
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the only difference i can see is the wheel cover,which works on any M wheel

https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=78
Yeah, the visual difference is the wheel cover, but I didn't know if there's any other differences, as there are three distinct references of the wheel:

32 30 2 230 189 M Performance steering wheel II with Race Display
32 30 2 344 148 M Performance steering wheel II with Race Display for M3/M4 cars
32 30 2 413 015 M Performance steering wheel II with Race Display for M2 cars

It isn't like a regular wheel, where you just need to unplug the cables, take out the old one, and pop in the new one, the m performance version needs special wiring that goes from the steering wheel column to the FEM module located next to the passenger's side door. It even has a control module, which I don't know if it's the same for the three references. That's why I wasn't sure, I've asked several dealers and no one gave me a straight answer. So I just might buy the wheel for the FXX cars, and then switch the cover just to be sure.
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Any update?
It works?
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      12-06-2019, 12:48 PM   #8
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Any update?
It works?
I ended up getting the CS steering wheel, not because I wasn't sure if it'd work -it would-, but because I favor thicker ones.
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i prefer the pre lci flat bottom shift light wheel especially for left foot braking, which is the one i opted for
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i prefer the pre lci flat bottom shift light wheel especially for left foot braking, which is the one i opted for
How is the steering wheel related to left foot braking, and what are you using left foot braking for?

I have found left foot braking useful in front wheel drive cars and 4WD for balancing the car in corners (adding oversteer), but I never saw any advantage of left foot braking in rear wheel drive cars. Seems like it has very small impact on the balance (maybe adding a tiny bit of understeer), and overheating the rear brakes.

I can also see the advantage of flat bottom steering wheels for getting easy in and out of the car, but I always preferred round steering wheels for driving.
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How is the steering wheel related to left foot braking, and what are you using left foot braking for?

I have found left foot braking useful in front wheel drive cars and 4WD for balancing the car in corners (adding oversteer), but I never saw any advantage of left foot braking in rear wheel drive cars. Seems like it has very small impact on the balance (maybe adding a tiny bit of understeer), and overheating the rear brakes.

I can also see the advantage of flat bottom steering wheels for getting easy in and out of the car, but I always preferred round steering wheels for driving.
i used to race single seaters when i was much younger i think left foot breaking is second nature to me on a track. i find it odd to use one foot for both pedals haha
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i used to race single seaters when i was much younger i think left foot breaking is second nature to me on a track. i find it odd to use one foot for both pedals haha
Then how you do you downshift while braking? No rev matching? Or no clutching?
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Then how you do you downshift while braking? No rev matching? Or no clutching?
i bought an auto (yes i know haha)
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Then how you do you downshift while braking? No rev matching? Or no clutching?
This is the heel n toe thing, to revmatch while braking, isnt?

Imo, left foot braking + right foot throttle helps to soften the transitions if beeing applied overlapping. It also helps to keep faster braking and softer because can be started earlier, you don't need to lift throttle and unsettle the car... , and more effective emergency brake (for dsc off )... countless benefits for sport driving.

I use it for spirited driving allways (listen to engine and tires) , and if relaxed driving only right foot mostly (listen to music )
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This is the heel n toe thing, to revmatch while braking, isnt?
Yes. Our F20 can rev match by itself if the DSC is left activated, but for track driving I have to do it myself. That means left foot on the clutch, and right foot on brake and throttle.

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Imo, left foot braking + right foot throttle helps to soften the transitions if beeing applied overlapping. It also helps to keep faster braking and softer because can be started earlier, you don't need to lift throttle and unsettle the car... , and more effective emergency brake (for dsc off )... countless benefits for sport driving.
I find it very difficult to unsettle our F20, but we have a very small engine. It is however my impression that all F20 engines have very weak and soft engine braking, not nearly enough to upset the balance of the car. I have to be rather aggressive with the brake pedal at corner entry to upset it.

I have been toying with the idea that left foot braking could maintain the turbo boost at hairpin corners, but I have never managed to get it right. I think I would need three feet, since I need that partly rev matched downshift to first gear. Maybe even a touch of handbrake to get that rotation started.
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That's the fun part of the manuals, to dance into the three pedals as you were playing an church's organ of course in small engines and modern cars is unnecessary for the balance having all that rubber and chassis , but there's no need to get on track either
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