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      02-10-2014, 05:48 AM   #1
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125d M sport to M135i ?

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After some opinions really. I have the 125d currently on a 12 plate. At the time i bought it i needed diesel, now i've moved, not so much. My 90 mile per day commute is now about 20 miles.

I visited the dealer and drove a manual m135i , whilst it was insanely fast on the motorway i noticed the torque wasn't as pronouned as on the diesel (obviously)

Nevertheless they had an unregistered M135i from build week 47 in 2013 with the following spec:

Sport automatic
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Because of the HP agreement i have, i can switch to a PCP on the M135i and not pay anything more per month, or put down any upfront cash. Furthermore the car would be ready on March 1st and be 14 plate registered.

My reservations are around the torque, and also i wont 'own' the car as much as i did if it was on HP (i guess i don't own this either as its effectively the same as a bank loan)

Any advices welcome as i'm in limbo
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The 125d is a great car. I borrowed for for a whole day while waiting for my M135i. But the M is another league Mate. I can honestly say it doesn't lack torque and with the 8sp auto you're never in the wrong gear.
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My reservations are around the torque...
The engine torque is at the engine flywheel. What you feel as being pushed forward, is the torque at the wheels. the M135i has more of this, since it has more power, which is lower torque at a much higher engine speed (RPM).

If you like the car pushing you hard forwards, you want to look at the power peak, not the torque peak. What the torque does, is to be able to be pushed forward at a fairly low RPM. So basically if you are a low RPM enthusiast, stay with diesel.

Personally I prefer the sound and feel of high RPM. It may hurt the economy, but in reality it doesn't, since you don't need that high RPM acceleration all that often. Most of the time you just cruise along in traffic (or at the speed limit) at low RPM anyway.
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Do it Spoon.
The 125d is a great car. I borrowed for for a whole day while waiting for my M135i. But the M is another league Mate. I can honestly say it doesn't lack torque and with the 8sp auto you're never in the wrong gear.
I thought you were mentioning modify it with the tuner "SPOON"

With the Honda 1.8~2.0 VTEC I was very not used to the huge torque available everywhere. We were so used to rev it beyound 5 or 6 before things really happen.

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I thought you were mentioning modify it with the tuner "SPOON"

With the Honda 1.8~2.0 VTEC I was very not used to the huge torque available everywhere. We were so used to rev it beyound 5 or 6 before things really happen.

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I wish the test drive was in an auto but they didn't have one :/
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Do it. I've just cancelled a 125d order for an M135i. Initially a bit worried about the torque coming from a mapped 335d but just keep revving it and it flies.
Plus the noise is incredible!
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There is whole lots of torque..
My dyno results are,
353whp (381hp crank)
542 wheel Nm

BTW Its not stock..
Stock at crank 340hp
480nm crank
Dyno by a friend
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542 wheel Nm
Technically that is the torque at the crank, calculated from the power at the wheels, without compensating for the drivetrain power loss.

The actual torque at the wheels is a lot higher, since it is amplified in the gearbox and differential on its way from the engine flywheel.
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Matching torque

According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1_Series_(F20) the M135i has exactly the same torque as the 125d over twice the rev range

With the 8 speed AT on the m135i, the downshifts are so quick you're never in the wrong gear. Put your foot down at any revs in any gear and you're almost instantly shifted to the fat part of the torque curve. Push harder and it'll shift you to the fat part of the hp curve. Just make sure you're not too close to anything when you do so because it really does take off like a scalded cat
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Very useful info!
How does the sport model feel in comparison to comfort? And with the 8spd AT is there a noticeable difference in S mode?
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Very useful info!
How does the sport model feel in comparison to comfort? And with the 8spd AT is there a noticeable difference in S mode?
Yup all the modes have different personality, more noticeable with the auto as it plays with the time of gear change and throttle mapping
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Spoon,
As an aside, you do technically own the car on a PCP, not so on contract hire or lease. Are you sure you are going PCP ?. You will get the V5/Logbook in your name with PCP. Yes, you still owe the finance on the car, until the very end, but on the other schemes, the car goes back because it is not owned by yourself, regards, SIMON.
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How does it feel?

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Very useful info!
How does the sport model feel in comparison to comfort? And with the 8spd AT is there a noticeable difference in S mode?
Comfort feels like Mo Farah or Haile Gebreselassie.....extremely fast with an incredible kick but able to relax and cover long distances

Sport and Sport+ are like Usain Bolt on training and race day....comes out of the hole like a rocket, flies along at near max or max performance but tiring over longer distances, around town, in congestion or in the wet

Eco Pro is like me....slow and sluggish, probably designed for snow & ice and for getting exceptional consumption and CO2 numbers

Changing modes changes several performance aspects....the most noticable being throttle response, shift points and exhaust noise. Slightly less noticeable are steering and suspension
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I'm having this exact dilemma.... all be it from a 125i m sport to the M135i.

I have been offered a 38k spec M135i for end of March delivery for an extra 40pm on a 4 year PCP again. So the monthlies would go up to 375pm which I'm comfortable with. This deal would require a 5k deposit though of course. So really the cost to change is 40 x 48 + 5,000 = 6920. Not so bad but not considering I've only had my car 17 months and I put a stupidly high deposit in of 10k in the first place!

I have been very close to pushing the button on this deal. However, I'm not feeling the excitement or that buzz to change to what is a model with the exact same options I have on my existing car. Therefore have got cold feet.

Also since fitting the m p exhaust on my 125i recently the exhaust note is much improved. All I really need is one of those M135i sound symposers!
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I'm having this exact dilemma.... all be it from a 125i m sport to the M135i.

I have been offered a 38k spec M135i for end of March delivery for an extra 40pm on a 4 year PCP again. So the monthlies would go up to 375pm which I'm comfortable with. This deal would require a 5k deposit though of course. So really the cost to change is 40 x 48 + 5,000 = 6920. Not so bad but not considering I've only had my car 17 months and I put a stupidly high deposit in of 10k in the first place!

I have been very close to pushing the button on this deal. However, I'm not feeling the excitement or that buzz to change to what is a model with the exact same options I have on my existing car. Therefore have got cold feet.

Also since fitting the m p exhaust on my 125i recently the exhaust note is much improved. All I really need is one of those M135i sound symposers!
Hi Mate,
Tell them you will do the deal, for 4k deposit, and 350 per month, if you really want the car. I would be surprised if they didnt go for that.
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I'm having this exact dilemma.... all be it from a 125i m sport to the M135i.

I have been offered a 38k spec M135i for end of March delivery for an extra 40pm on a 4 year PCP again. So the monthlies would go up to 375pm which I'm comfortable with. This deal would require a 5k deposit though of course. So really the cost to change is 40 x 48 + 5,000 = 6920. Not so bad but not considering I've only had my car 17 months and I put a stupidly high deposit in of 10k in the first place!

I have been very close to pushing the button on this deal. However, I'm not feeling the excitement or that buzz to change to what is a model with the exact same options I have on my existing car. Therefore have got cold feet.

Also since fitting the m p exhaust on my 125i recently the exhaust note is much improved. All I really need is one of those M135i sound symposers!


The M135I is in another league, both from a handling and performance standpoint. Try negotiating a little more to get some more discount but quite frankly, a 125i M-sport does not deliver anything like the visceral thrill of driving an M135i.

I am soon going to face the same dilemma with the new M3. If the financials were of a similar relationship to yours, I wouldn't hesitate.

If cars are practical transport and nothing more then I agree that you're wasting money. If on the other hand they're your hobby and passion, then ask yourself if spending the money is worth the reward it brings in driving a far more exciting car for several years. Spending money on transport is a burden, spending it on your passion is life enriching
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The M135I is in another league, both from a handling and performance standpoint. Try negotiating a little more to get some more discount but quite frankly, a 125i M-sport does not deliver anything like the visceral thrill of driving an M135i.

I am soon going to face the same dilemma with the new M3. If the financials were of a similar relationship to yours, I wouldn't hesitate.

If cars are practical transport and nothing more then I agree that you're wasting money. If on the other hand they're your hobby and passion, then ask yourself if spending the money is worth the reward it brings in driving a far more exciting car for several years. Spending money on transport is a burden, spending it on your passion is life enriching
Of course the M135i is a better car no doubt but when I test drove it recently I wasn't blown away by it enough by it in comparison to mine to warrant the change. The deal offered to change was actually a very good one especially considering I had one quote @ 534 pcm and I got managed to get this down to 375 pcm with another dealer. I had the perfect opportunity to change but I just wasn't feeling being in the F20 another 4 years. Currently I have had my car around 17 months.

I don't think it's ever a good idea to buy the same model car again especially when there isn't masses of difference and spec the same options again.
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Of course the M135i is a better car no doubt but when I test drove it recently I wasn't blown away by it enough by it in comparison to mine to warrant the change. The deal offered to change was actually a very good one especially considering I had one quote @ 534 pcm and I got managed to get this down to 375 pcm with another dealer. I had the perfect opportunity to change but I just wasn't feeling being in the F20 another 4 years. Currently I have had my car around 17 months.

I don't think it's ever a good idea to buy the same model car again especially when there isn't masses of difference and spec the same options again.
Doesn't sound like much of a dilemma. The ONLY reason to make the change is desire, and you obviously don't have a lot, so stick with your 125 until something more desirable comes along.
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I don't think it's ever a good idea to buy the same model car again especially when there isn't masses of difference and spec the same options again.
Really? The first F20 I drove was a 125i I wanted to see how good/bad the adaptive suspension was. Then driving the M135i was like night and day.

As Steve C said. maybe wait for something that floats your boat.
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The M135I is in another league, both from a handling and performance standpoint.....
I agree with the performance part but really can't say the handling bit stands true with me. I have a 125d as my own car and drive an M135i and as of this week a 116d pool car at work for attending client meetings.

Some days I will jump between the 3 covering a couple hundred miles a day. The M135i has adaptive suspenders the other 2 are the garden variety. All 3 of the cars come unstuck at still legal speeds on twisty uneven roads when pushed but the 116d actually feels the most stable as it's harder to get it to that speed. With, I guess less instability being caused by traction issues and weight shifting via acceleration.

There is slightly less roll in the M135i but it's definitely not a different league. I think money spent on handling in the M135i would be money very well spent.
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I agree with the performance part but really can't say the handling bit stands true with me. I have a 125d as my own car and drive an M135i and as of this week a 116d pool car at work for attending client meetings.

Some days I will jump between the 3 covering a couple hundred miles a day. The M135i has adaptive suspenders the other 2 are the garden variety. All 3 of the cars come unstuck at still legal speeds on twisty uneven roads when pushed but the 116d actually feels the most stable as it's harder to get it to that speed. With, I guess less instability being caused by traction issues and weight shifting via acceleration.

There is slightly less roll in the M135i but it's definitely not a different league. I think money spent on handling in the M135i would be money very well spent.
Is the 116d on runflats?
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