[///d]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

Body cam footage from Nashville. Extremely well done by the responding officers.

Apparently at least one of them also plays rugby regularly to stay in shape, and it shows from that leg strength hauling ass up the stairs.

And for a group that was comprised of guys that don't normally work as a team clearing buildings, they did well.

As morbid as it sounds, I found satisfaction in watching the shooters body collapse.

[UncleWede]

I, wife and niece watching the news last night. All the typical talking heads says we gotta do this and that to restrict GUNS. Those two started in to. I had to get up and leave the dinner table, spouting off as I left that guns don't kill people, people kill people. For dramatic effect, I wanted to go in and get all my guns, varying in the 40+ years of ownership, and show them that none of my guns have run off to a school and shot anyone.

This poor misguide "female" is being touted as such a rare bird. No, she has mental issues that need to be addressed. Spend all that $$$ from enforcement and tracking to help these mentally ill people before they go off on society that they can't seem to fit into.


<stepping away from computer before ban-hammer>

[NorCalAthlete]

Most "mass shootings" are targeted violence among poorer / impoverished minorities with somewhat more limited opportunities in life. Ie stuff like a drive by that hits 5 people, someone returns fire and hits 2 in the car, etc.

Most RANDOM mass shootings (mall shootings, school shootings, etc like is typically portrayed as the standard) are extensions of suicide by cop. Entirely different situations aside from the involvement of firearms.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by ///d

And for a group that was comprised of guys that don't normally work as a team clearing buildings, they did well.

As morbid as it sounds, I found satisfaction in watching the shooters body collapse.

She dropped like the sack of sh!t she was. One shot might have hit the CNS (brain, spine) which turned her off like a light.

[UncleWede]

And last night, the rep from the district was on the news saying the same: "We need to address the people, not the guns"

Did I hear NBC actually correct themselves and say she didn't have AK-47, but instead a Kalashnikov? What, you mean it wouldn't have been banned because not an assault rifle?

Further info, "the system" broke down and she was on all kinds of meds, but her Dr. didn't do his/her due diligence and report the meds so that when she went and bought 2 rifles and a handgun, she flew right thru.

[UncleWede]

So, Sedan_Clan how much hazing will the unfortunate CHP that had his cruiser stolen and then the perp jumped out at 50MPH be getting for the next several years? I imagine their is a large bar tab in his future.

[Watching The World Burn]

The drop was satisfactory. Part of me wishes that she was alive and we still tortured people so that she could experience a taste of the pain she has visited on the families of the people she killed.

Then again, I know that's not for me to judge and I'm confident she's been judged by God and Hell is not a place I could ever imagine adequately, but I believe she is there, so her punishment will be adequate, it is not necessary for me to see it in order for it to be adequate.

[nyalpine90]

i dont have any issues with those that own guns.
My only issue are those have guns that target innocent children/adults at school, mall or any place of gathering.

only solution is eliminate the threat

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by nyalpine90

i dont have any issues with those that own guns.
My only issue are those have guns that target innocent children/adults at school, mall or any place of gathering.

only solution is eliminate the threat

Unsure - are you proposing to eliminate firearms or the shooter? Can't tell which you judge to be the threat.

[NorCalAthlete]

This is the way I see it:

There are over 600 million guns in the US, with approximately 100 million to 130 million gun owners per Pew research and other reputable organizations.

Roughly 35,000 people per year die in "gun violence", of which suicides account for roughly 2/3. Leaving around 12,000 or so for a combination of homicide, negligence, police-involved, and self defense (which, technically, is also charged as homicide, just justified vs unjustified).

Even if you don't break down that 12,000-ish and leave it all lumped together....

12,000 / 100,000,000 (at the lowest / most pessimistic ratio) = 0.00012.

This alone tells me guns aren't anywhere near the problem they're made out to be.

Expanding on that further, roughly 500-600 of those are from rifles (all kinds, and including "mass shootings", so bolt action, AR types, etc). Blunt objects (hammers, fists, bats, etc) account for more each year per FBI / DOJ statistics.

Meanwhile, out of the suicides (again, not my choice to lump them in with "gun violence", it's the anti-gun side that keeps doing that), roughly 3,000 each year are from veterans alone.

So you could do more to reduce "gun violence" by addressing veteran issues than any assault weapon ban, even if your assault weapon ban had 100% compliance and worked perfectly (loooool. Yeah right).

[///d]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

This is the way I see it:

There are over 600 million guns in the US, with approximately 100 million to 130 million gun owners per Pew research and other reputable organizations.

Roughly 35,000 people per year die in "gun violence", of which suicides account for roughly 2/3. Leaving around 12,000 or so for a combination of homicide, negligence, police-involved, and self defense (which, technically, is also charged as homicide, just justified vs unjustified).

Even if you don't break down that 12,000-ish and leave it all lumped together....

12,000 / 100,000,000 (at the lowest / most pessimistic ratio) = 0.00012.

This alone tells me guns aren't anywhere near the problem they're made out to be.

Expanding on that further, roughly 500-600 of those are from rifles (all kinds, and including "mass shootings", so bolt action, AR types, etc). Blunt objects (hammers, fists, bats, etc) account for more each year per FBI / DOJ statistics.

Meanwhile, out of the suicides (again, not my choice to lump them in with "gun violence", it's the anti-gun side that keeps doing that), roughly 3,000 each year are from veterans alone.

So you could do more to reduce "gun violence" by addressing veteran issues than any assault weapon ban, even if your assault weapon ban had 100% compliance and worked perfectly (loooool. Yeah right).

Unhealthy mental state is the threat. Veterans are pumped full of meds and sent on their way without much effort to try and understand and treat the real issues they are having, which is often guilt from losing friends overseas or the feeling of being useless and unwanted after they leave service or return from deployments. Same can be said for mental health in the civilian population, just pump em full of meds, charge the ever-living piss out of them sending them into debt and send em on their way. In the case of the school shooter, they were already on multiple medications that should have flagged them to not be able to purchase/own firearms, but the doctor apparently never reported anything (not sure how that works, this is just what I've read).

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by ///d

Unhealthy mental state is the threat. Veterans are pumped full of meds and sent on their way without much effort to try and understand and treat the real issues they are having, which is often guilt from losing friends overseas or the feeling of being useless and unwanted after they leave service or return from deployments. Same can be said for mental health in the civilian population, just pump em full of meds, charge the ever-living piss out of them sending them into debt and send em on their way. In the case of the school shooter, they were already on multiple medications that should have flagged them to not be able to purchase/own firearms, but the doctor apparently never reported anything (not sure how that works, this is just what I've read).

And this should embarrass every single American taxpayer, that those who often gave their all are left on the streets with no support.

It's tough being a cold-hearted bastage, but we shouldn't send a single penny overseas to care for non-Americans until all our veterans are being properly cared for. There will still be a few that choose something different than a fully-functional member of society, and we need to make allowances for that choice. The least we can do to honor their choice to put on a uniform.

[nyalpine90]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

Unsure - are you proposing to eliminate firearms or the shooter? Can't tell which you judge to be the threat.

-SHOOTER-

[///d]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

And this should embarrass every single American taxpayer, that those who often gave their all are left on the streets with no support.

It's tough being a cold-hearted bastage, but we shouldn't send a single penny overseas to care for non-Americans until all our veterans are being properly cared for. There will still be a few that choose something different than a fully-functional member of society, and we need to make allowances for that choice. The least we can do to honor their choice to put on a uniform.

Wanna really be disgusted? Theres a new bill that proposes removing veteran disability payments if your household makes over gross $125k annually. For every $2 you make over 125k you lose 1$ of veteran disability payments, or vice-versa I cant remember. If you make over $175k annually you lose all disability payments. A 100% disabled veteran can take home up to $3300 max a month I think it is?

Oh you lost both legs to a roadside bomb? Disabled, and can't work, and have 3 kids to support? Well your wife as a nurse makes $150k annually so, were just gonna take most of your VA disability away because, you know, you guys are doing fine.

Oh you suffer from PTS and limited mobility from being shot 6 times while dragging your dead buddies body out of enemy fire and are now limited to what you can do? Oh cool you still work being disabled and make $40k a year, awesome! Well your wife makes $90k/yr and combined thats $130k so you're over that limit so... yeah were just gonna cut a bunch of your disability payments.

It is fucking repulsive that this was even written.

EDIT: Not a proposed bill, but options proposed by the CBO
https://www.cbo.gov/budget-options/58653
https://www.cbo.gov/budget-options/58654
https://www.cbo.gov/budget-options/58631

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

So, Sedan_Clan how much hazing will the unfortunate CHP that had his cruiser stolen and then the perp jumped out at 50MPH be getting for the next several years? I imagine their is a large bar tab in his future.

Well, it'll depend on how it was stolen in my opinion. We leave our cars running all day, everywhere we go. Somebody could essentially break/slim-jim a window, etc. and just jump in and drive away. The key to my Ford SUV will open ANY Ford car in the fleet.............in the entire county. Maybe the perp had a key and opened it!?!? If the CHP Officer simply left the door unlocked, he'll probably hear about that mishap for quite some time.


P.S. The contributions one the last page or two have been really insightful.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well, it'll depend on how it was stolen in my opinion. We leave our cars running all day, everywhere we go. Somebody could essentially break/slim-jim a window, etc. and just jump in and drive away. The key to my Ford SUV will open ANY Ford car in the fleet.............in the entire county. Maybe the perp had a key and opened it!?!? If the CHP Officer simply left the door unlocked, he'll probably hear about that mishap for quite some time.


P.S. The contributions one the last page or two have been really insightful.

I know of two occasions that a scout car was stolen....both times the officer jumped out, left the keys in it running and the door open. Rookie mistakes, on the one occasion the thief drove almost 100 miles away, on the radio the whole time with the radio room Sgt. trying to talk him into surrendering. He eventually did, but the officer took some serious abuse for a very long time.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well, it'll depend on how it was stolen in my opinion. We leave our cars running all day, everywhere we go. Somebody could essentially break/slim-jim a window, etc. and just jump in and drive away. The key to my Ford SUV will open ANY Ford car in the fleet.............in the entire county. Maybe the perp had a key and opened it!?!? If the CHP Officer simply left the door unlocked, he'll probably hear about that mishap for quite some time.


P.S. The contributions one the last page or two have been really insightful.

Why do you leave your car running so much? Are you required to do that? Do you need to do that to keep the computers online? Fast getaway from the donut shop?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I know of two occasions that a scout car was stolen....both times the officer jumped out, left the keys in it running and the door open. Rookie mistakes, on the one occasion the thief drove almost 100 miles away, on the radio the whole time with the radio room Sgt. trying to talk him into surrendering. He eventually did, but the officer took some serious abuse for a very long time.

That must've been a hot call. That's mainly when I have witnessed that occur. I've done it myself on a few occasions during traffic stops (...usually if they pull into a parking lot or something), and I immediately think, "Damn it! I didn't close the door."....but I'm already approaching the car so it's too late for back-tracking.

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Why do you leave your car running so much? Are you required to do that? Do you need to do that to keep the computers online? Fast getaway from the donut shop?

Cops working patrol rarely, if ever, shut off cars. There's servers, radios, this and that.......and the communications will shut off a short time after the car is turned off. Also, if it's hot, we are running the A/C all day; if it's cold, the heater is on all day.

LOL @ donut shop. For me it's more like the local pizza joint, Coldstone or Baskin Robbins.

[Artemis]

The officer remained professional throughout the whole encounter.

[Sedan_Clan]

One of our patrol cars was stolen today; CHP patrol car theft copy cat. Pursuit ongoing as we speak.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Today one of our patrol cars were stolen; CHP patrol car theft copy cat. Pursuit ongoing as we speak.

Doh!

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

One of our patrol cars was stolen today; CHP patrol car theft copy cat. Pursuit ongoing as we speak.

I mean, you have to admire the audacity of stealing a patrol car. I mean the nerve,

Hope you catch him fast with no harm done,