[sherm]

I'd be glad to see the M3 & M4 on the list because it would mean it's more exclusive.. I like being the only M4 I've seen in Portland.

But even if it were one of the worst selling I doubt they would list it because it's a 2015 and it's only been available to the public for 6 months.

[M4LAKA]

Originally Posted by trinim3

I've personally seen 5 out of the 57 Porsche 918s. Feeling lucky!

I saw one, and a day later it caught on fire.

[M4LAKA]

Originally Posted by Vectors2final

From what I hear, there are quite a few GTRs just sitting on the lots unsold.

Very suprising, I see so many every day in Toronto.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

That was indeed a silly thread. The real interesting conversation regarding the whoring out of the M is how many of those badges can be found on base cars. You can take the least performance oriented vehicle in their line-up, and it can still come festooned with over a dozen VISIBLE badges.

The premium is definitely worth it for the M3/M4, it is actually a good car unlike the horrendous F3x, but it's really only like 50% different.

Did you ever see the article about the long term test of a new M3? They found, I think, ~70 ///M logos on the car. This was in the car and under the car. Only in places you could see with you eye and not moving anything out of the way. So the whoring of the M badge is running strong.

This article though, dumb. It should have been titled different.

The SS wasn't going to a mainstream car, it was a limited production car, not like how the G8 was mainstream. So it only selling as many as was wanted. They only want to sell 3k at most and anything above 2k was a success in GMs book.

People overlook the car. It might be bland and looks like a Malibu/Impala but it has more amenities, standard, than any BMW/Merc/Audi does and has very good performance numbers too for being a 4 door car.

[Sylon]

I like the SS, I wouldn't mind running one. And they may have sold more if it were priced a little better.

[Vigilante375]

I thought the same thing too but take all of the standard stuff it has and see how much it costs as an option in other vehicles in its class or out of its class. Its like $5k or more worth of BS. Self parking, blind spot detection, lane departure, heated and ventilated seats, keyless start, passive entry, forward collision alert, HUD and rear camera with cross traffic alert from what I can recall. And this year they added manual (as an option) and the magnetic ride comfort suspension.....standard.

Honestly, a base model without all that junk (IMO junk) could bring the price down to at least $38k or more. It is a very, very good car but people think other wise because they want something thats aggressive or looks good. Hell, people love the way C5s look on the outside......but the inside is another story, bleh.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

As if this means bmw is whoring the M name.

Well, they are. The E30 had what, 4? And that thing was a frigging race car. Like, a real race car.

In fairness to the F80, they've been whoring it for many years now. It's just finally gotten to a level of complete lunacy.

Now we have them on the wheel, brake rotor, and caliper?!?!? What's next, a small M badge placed on the bigger M badges? BMWs engineering challenge for the next generation should be to institute a policy of a minimum 24" inch radius between adjacent M badges.

I bet you could shave 20lbs off of the weight of the car just by removing some ///Marketing from it.

Agree about C&D though, I don't have much interest in that magazine.

[Mavus]

C&D has gone downhill over the last 2-3y. I stopped subscribing after 15y.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Did you ever see the article about the long term test of a new M3? They found, I think, ~70 ///M logos on the car. This was in the car and under the car. Only in places you could see with you eye and not moving anything out of the way. So the whoring of the M badge is running strong.

This article though, dumb. It should have been titled different.

The SS wasn't going to a mainstream car, it was a limited production car, not like how the G8 was mainstream. So it only selling as many as was wanted. They only want to sell 3k at most and anything above 2k was a success in GMs book.

People overlook the car. It might be bland and looks like a Malibu/Impala but it has more amenities, standard, than any BMW/Merc/Audi does and has very good performance numbers too for being a 4 door car.

I disagree with this. Had 2 other M3's, one e36 back in '99 and an e46 in '02 (rip)

both had much of the same logos- doorsills, instrument panel, steering wheel, m embossed seats- outside, it had the side M3 badging, rear badge, wheel badge, etc. engine cover badge.

f80 m3 only has more badging on the brakes, and one more logo on the front of the car.

that's it. not really any different than before. there is no story to report here. C and D has no reason to make a fuss about M3 branding.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I want to start a letter campaign- seriously c and d is becoming such a crap magazine.

such garbage like this slide show. i wanted to know what cars were worst selling, not cars that have limited production. 918 / r8 should not be on that list neither is the GTR.

SS, Z4- ok.

there was that other link on how many m badges are on the m3. As if this means bmw is whoring the M name. I mean, if more than half the badges are under the car, its just that the parts are M specific components and meant to denote bmw M manuf. part. NO NEWS THERE.

shouldn't it be great that there are so many unique parts? Like Chris Harris said, the M3/M4 is practically a new model. This justifies the $ over the 3/4 series. That should be a more interesting read.

what's happened to c and d?

Why is the SS ok? It's a limited production car. Of course its sales numbers are going to be low.

As for the article itself, it's click-bait more suited to a site like Jalopnik than a supposedly reputable mag like C&D.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I disagree with this. Had 2 other M3's, one e36 back in '99 and an e46 in '02 (rip)

both had much of the same logos- doorsills, instrument panel, steering wheel, m embossed seats- outside, it had the side M3 badging, rear badge, wheel badge, etc. engine cover badge.

f80 m3 only has more badging on the brakes, and one more logo on the front of the car.

that's it. not really any different than before. there is no story to report here. C and D has no reason to make a fuss about M3 branding.

Actually I was wrong, it was the new M3:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/the-num...is-staggering/

I'm not sure if these have always been here and just to say...hey, this is an "quality" ///M part. Pretty dumb to have that many logos on a car. Brakes, couple exterior bits and a few interior bits ok but all over and under the car? No.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Why is the SS ok? It's a limited production car. Of course its sales numbers are going to be low.

As for the article itself, it's click-bait more suited to a site like Jalopnik than a supposedly reputable mag like C&D.

SS never sold well. Probably can count on one hand how many i've ever seen.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Actually I was wrong, it was the new M3:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/the-num...is-staggering/

I'm not sure if these have always been here and just to say...hey, this is an "quality" ///M part. Pretty dumb to have that many logos on a car. Brakes, couple exterior bits and a few interior bits ok but all over and under the car? No.

Under the car is for parts that are made by M division. Most bmw parts are stamped bmw, or has a sticker that has the part # and bmw logos . M division also has their own logo and part numbers. Unique parts i.e. the bracing, suspension arms, etc all have stamped part numbers and bmw M logos.

note that about 50% of the M3/M4 parts are unique to the car. You're going to get a lot of stamped parts with M on them.

I can agree that there should be less of the decorative M logos, but there's no story here, it is the same as all M3's before it.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

SS never sold well. Probably can count on one hand how many i've ever seen.

The cars been on sale for hardly a half year. Do you expect a limited production model to sell in huge numbers? It's like me saying the Porsche 918 sells poorly because I haven't seen any yet.

http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-...nt/2000010802/

GM plans on importing just 3000-5000 Chevrolet SS's a year, and according to the C&D article, they've already sold 2,386 units and it has only been available for about half a year.

[Amirsm3]

I wish they would show how many they sell vs. how many they produce(d). Clickbait, indeed.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

The cars been on sale for hardly a half year. Do you expect a limited production model to sell in huge numbers? It's like me saying the Porsche 918 sells poorly because I haven't seen any yet.

http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-...nt/2000010802/

GM plans on importing just 3000-5000 Chevrolet SS's a year, and according to the C&D article, they've already sold 2,386 units and it has only been available for about half a year.

I was referring to the SS models in general- recent history they have not sold well. It is very believable that they are on the list. Yes, it is limited in production, but it has not been a strong model for GM. unlike the CTS-V which has sold well in limited production.

[ptack]

Not too long ago I received a free subscription to CD. Thought it was so-so. It often seemed like they just threw stuff together. Some of the comparisons seemed down right random based on what they could get their hands on. I let is expire and guess what they did? They sent me more issues and then a bill. Ha - like I was going to every send them a penny for that trick - but that sums up their integrity in my opinion so probably the best way to deal with them is to ignore them.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I was referring to the SS models in general- recent history they have not sold well. It is very believable that they are on the list. Yes, it is limited in production, but it has not been a strong model for GM. unlike the CTS-V which has sold well in limited production.

The C&D article was referring to the actual SS car, not the trim level you see on Camaros...which I'm pretty sure actually sells well. So again, I have no idea what you're talking about.

The SS label has a long and rich history. With the Camaro and other muscle cars anyway. Before they got their bailout, they decided to try to slap SS badges on SUV's and trucks which was stupid and a disaster.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

The C&D article was referring to the actual SS car, not the trim level you see on Camaros...which I'm pretty sure actually sells well. So again, I have no idea what you're talking about.

The SS label has a long and rich history. With the Camaro and other muscle cars anyway. Before they got their bailout, they decided to try to slap SS badges on SUV's and trucks which was stupid and a disaster.

I see what you mean. I was comparing the new ss to the recent 9th gen impala ss. Did not realize the ss was a model on its own til now.

compared to the impala ss (which i hardly ever saw a few years back) i would not be surprised if it makes this list.

[Meeni]

Originally Posted by M4LAKA

I saw one, and a day later it caught on fire.

Must have been a hell of a lusty look to set it on fire like that.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I see what you mean. I was comparing the new ss to the recent 9th gen impala ss. Did not realize the ss was a model on its own til now.

compared to the impala ss (which i hardly ever saw a few years back) i would not be surprised if it makes this list.

Ahh that makes sense now. Yeah in this instance, the "SS" is an actual car instead of a trim designation. That said, they still make a Camaro SS. I don't think they no longer make an Impala SS.

The SS car itself is just a rebadged and reworked Pontiac G8 so at least it's got V8, RWD power. It's mostly driven by police officers though and GM decided to import a small amount to sell to customers because a few hardcore enthusiasts were wild about the car (the same people who loved the Pontiac G8), hence why it's no surprise the car is on the list.