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It’s also crazy to me that ///M wrapped the XM - “the first ground up M car since the M1!” around a tree going up Pike’s Peak even after cutting hundreds of pounds of weight and tried to spin the story so hard in their favor. Those YouTube videos were instant classics. |
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Taycan is the best looking EV in the market. Because it just looks like another Porsche.
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Bangle designed timeless classics. E60 from 2004 still looks modern and elegant. E65 was ahead of time, many modern cars have copied its design language in different ways.
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Most (but not all) of the latest designs from BMW are not only stupid looking, they are offensive. The XM with its Starsky and Hutch stripe down the side, goofy kink in the back and giant glowing nostrils is so lame. It's not for rockstars. It's for dorks.
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BMW is finally saved. It only needs to address the cheap materials it has started using in the interior.
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I think they would be nuts to get rid of Adrian, but regardless if he leaves BMW, someone else will snag him. He has lots of shelflife left. And is a master of his craft.
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To the new guys…you have one job. Design cars that remain true to the BMW legacy of clean, conservative styling that looks amazing when modded. Listen to the enthusiasts and give the people cars that don’t require changing the entire front end because the design sucks. The goal is clear and simple. Don’t screw it up.
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Before Bangle, a BMW received wide supported praise for their timeless classic and sporty design at the moment of reveal. I remember when the e38/9 was launched that it was instantly endorsed and loved by its target population. That ALL changed by Bangle. All of a sudden you had to look once, twice and think the design over and over again. Until today his designs devide the target population. I personally still gaze at the e65: "what's this??". For a Pollock that is a good thing, for a mass production car much less. That's the reason why they fired him. |
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Agreed. I was waiting to replace my E39 540i when the E60 arrived. It struck me as brutally ugly. On occasion when I see an E60 now, it strikes me as, well, brutally ugly.
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That's what I mean, Bangle polarised into two groups: lovers and haters. Before Bangle, we didn't have that, or you loved it or not so much. Adrian Van Hooydonck and Domagoj Dukec started to search very expliclitly controversy again. Why does BMW believe that they need to provoke a substantial portion of their current customer base? |
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Polestar has Volvo-vibes, but looks so much better and mature.
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I think the change/shakeup won’t necessarily deliver what a majority of long term owners want - a solid evolution of the E generation designs - not including the Bangle E60, 65 and up.
What Chris did was very selfish by promoting radical designs only to satisfy a personal desire. Typical of free-will ‘artsy’ types. They are not business people or automotive enthusiasts. The Board failed by not realizing where they were headed and the seeming success further blinded them for which they sacrificed the legacy that had been built. I think Adrian followed the same footsteps - push radical designs because I want to and it will catch on - because BMW - and my greatness. What an idiot. So, the new team has Adrian’s exec leadership guiding it so what do we expect? Going back to Reitzel’s classic strong designs that were truly BMW or another radical move to see what else they can do - all without any homage to what led them to success. What’s more the main reason you bought a BMW was that immediate, impressive, way it drove on the road - the looks were a happy secondary addition. I can’t tell you that special feeling I had test driving the new E39 530i M-Sport back in 2000 and I thought my E36 was great (it was by the way). Plus those angel eyes - man, what a car. Ended up buying 3 of them. So yeah, BMW do what you need to - so deep in a new direction you can’t realistically reverse. It’s your fault for hiring and cultivating looser design chiefs that lack capability to work as a company with a united vision as a car for drivers.
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