[Fritzer]

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr86/

Excited for this, just read up on the specs and what is new. I think it is a shame that they are still using that Subaru boxer engine. After seeing the partnership with BMW and Toyota on the Supra/Z4 platform, I was really hoping to see something between the two companies on the next generation of the 86. Would have been really cool to see something like a naturally aspirated B48, B38 - or even just the B48 turbo and all!

Still looks promising, but I just really dislike that Subaru boxer engine. The last 10 years of that engine really has been getting old. And the performance of it when new wasn't particularly stellar either. Exciting nonetheless, what do you guys think about the new GR86?

[Capt Canuck]

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...ta+gr86&page=5

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...ht=toyota+gr86

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Fritzer

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr86/

Excited for this, just read up on the specs and what is new. I think it is a shame that they are still using that Subaru boxer engine. After seeing the partnership with BMW and Toyota on the Supra/Z4 platform, I was really hoping to see something between the two companies on the next generation of the 86. Would have been really cool to see something like a naturally aspirated B48, B38 - or even just the B48 turbo and all!

Still looks promising, but I just really dislike that Subaru boxer engine. The last 10 years of that engine really has been getting old. And the performance of it when new wasn't particularly stellar either. Exciting nonetheless, what do you guys think about the new GR86?

There is a multi-page thread just above this.

[Fritzer]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

There is a multi-page thread just above this.

Did not see it at the time, must have been bumped.

[x3sm]

who buys these cars? lol

[Almuliman]

Originally Posted by x3sm

who buys these cars? lol

Apparently ~120K people for all of the 1st gen 86 platform cars. Or (again, apparently) about the same number of cars as Porsche's entire lineup sold in that same period.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by x3sm

who buys these cars? lol

Is this a serious question?

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Is this a serious question?

Anybody who complains about these cars is nuts. I still miss my BRZ that I bought at launch in 2012.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Fritzer

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr86/

Excited for this, just read up on the specs and what is new. I think it is a shame that they are still using that Subaru boxer engine. After seeing the partnership with BMW and Toyota on the Supra/Z4 platform, I was really hoping to see something between the two companies on the next generation of the 86. Would have been really cool to see something like a naturally aspirated B48, B38 - or even just the B48 turbo and all!

Still looks promising, but I just really dislike that Subaru boxer engine. The last 10 years of that engine really has been getting old. And the performance of it when new wasn't particularly stellar either. Exciting nonetheless, what do you guys think about the new GR86?

I'm VERY happy they didn't partner with BMW on the 2nd gen 86/BRZ. The boxer engine is needed for what they are trying to accomplish (low weight and low center of gravity). If you want a BMW engine in a small(ish) car, buy a Mini.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I'm VERY happy they didn't partner with BMW on the 2nd gen 86/BRZ. The boxer engine is needed for what they are trying to accomplish (low weight and low center of gravity). If you want a BMW engine in a small(ish) car, buy a Mini.

Why would they have? It's mostly a Subaru parts bin car. Hence the WRX struts, 5x100 PCD, etc.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Why would they have? It's mostly a Subaru parts bin car. Hence the WRX struts, 5x100 PCD, etc.

I'm not saying they would. The OP said they should have partnered with BMW so they could use the B48 engine.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I'm VERY happy they didn't partner with BMW on the 2nd gen 86/BRZ. The boxer engine is needed for what they are trying to accomplish (low weight and low center of gravity). If you want a BMW engine in a small(ish) car, buy a Mini.

I'm not sure about that. The boxer engine is the weakest part of the car as Subaru NA engines are dogs. The low center of gravity angle is just longtime Subaru sales slogan like symmetrical AWD. I think it would have been a better car if made by Toyota (they would build a better engine) but it would have been more expensive leading to less sales and partnering with BMW would make no sense at the price point they were aiming for.

It's still the perfect beginner car for a young enthusiast or for anyone that wants the feel of RWD cars of decades past that were simpler, lighter, and easy to drive at their limits. I don't know if I will ever own one but I'm glad Subaru and Toyota are offering them.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I'm not sure about that. The boxer engine is the weakest part of the car as Subaru NA engines are dogs. The low center of gravity angle is just longtime Subaru sales slogan like symmetrical AWD. I think it would have been a better car if made by Toyota (they would build a better engine) but it would have been more expensive leading to less sales and partnering with BMW would make no sense at the price point they were aiming for.

It's still the perfect beginner car for a young enthusiast or for anyone that wants the feel of RWD cars of decades past that were simpler, lighter, and easy to drive at their limits. I don't know if I will ever own one but I'm glad Subaru and Toyota are offering them.

But it does sit lower down...but you're right, if Toyota developed it from the ground up on its own it probably could have been better. We'll never know though, and the partnership with Subaru for this particular car is a good one.

[Fritzer]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I'm VERY happy they didn't partner with BMW on the 2nd gen 86/BRZ. The boxer engine is needed for what they are trying to accomplish (low weight and low center of gravity). If you want a BMW engine in a small(ish) car, buy a Mini.

Eh, I think it would be a lot spritelier and better engineering with a turbo inline 4 that comes with a shipping label from Munich. My entire experience with Subaru's boxer engine is culminated by being in a friend's brand new 2017 STi while the engine started knocking and subsequently seized with about 1500 miles on the odometer.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Fritzer

Eh, I think it would be a lot spritelier and better engineering with a turbo inline 4 that comes with a shipping label from Munich. My entire experience with Subaru's boxer engine is culminated by being in a friend's brand new 2017 STi while the engine started knocking and subsequently seized with about 1500 miles on the odometer.

Okay.....

[RMachuca3d]

Honestly, i'd rather buy a used zupra 2.0 by the time this GR86 comes out, more power (specially tuned) with 8\10's of the 86's handling.

Watching videos, you can sense the strugglebus of the engine, even though its been updated.

I'll never forget how excited i was to get into a friends 86, he was so excited to show it off, and the absolutely laughable acceleration is what i remember the most, even though its better, its not enough.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

Honestly, i'd rather buy a used zupra 2.0 by the time this GR86 comes out, more power (specially tuned) with 8\10's of the 86's handling.

Watching videos, you can sense the strugglebus of the engine, even though its been updated.

I'll never forget how excited i was to get into a friends 86, he was so excited to show it off, and the absolutely laughable acceleration is what i remember the most, even though its better, its not enough.

Since when did ever the 86 in its heritage, back in its heyday to today, ever had big power... that was NEVER its point. To me it hits all its requirements of a low slung light weight (by modern standard) RWD car with manual, that can handle daily commute, carry 4 people if needed, that is chuckable. I do not see a world beating 0-60 time as even priority for Toyota or Subaru, unless you are the type to burn rubber every stop light and beat every car off the line, then perhaps this car isn't targeting you as their market.

You are also comparing a used car (that depreciated already) to a new car... and talking about 'especially tuned' 2.0 Supra to a completely stock vehicle with warranty is comparing apples to oranges. Stock for Stock, in Canada anyways, there is an easy 20k difference there (58k starting price for a new 2.0 Supra, the last loaded 86GT was maybe at most 36k)

No, I am not saying the 86 is flawless, no car ever is, but for the relatively low price of entry, you get a good looking, fun driving, well equipped, enough power, 2+2, RWD 6 speed coupe, there isn't much out there today that hits those enthusiast spots like this anymore.

[G3min1]

Originally Posted by kyriian

carry 4 people if needed

Um....
Yeah I guess its there for insurance reasons. But its not practical for anyone over 5'9".

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by G3min1

Um....
Yeah I guess its there for insurance reasons. But its not practical for anyone over 5'9".

I am 5'8...
Asian genes

[pikkagtr]

They built a competitor to an S2000 from 20 yrs ago
Slap on modern tires and overhaul the oem suspension and I bet the Honda would still outrun this Toyobaru

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

They built a competitor to an S2000 from 20 yrs ago
Slap on modern tires and overhaul the oem suspension and I bet the Honda would still outrun this Toyobaru

Well it was more expensive, even in twenty year old dollars. My M Coupe from that era would have outrun either. But the 86 has a back seat, airbags that aren't dust, all sorts of safety stuff and can play music from the cloud.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Since when did ever the 86 in its heritage, back in its heyday to today, ever had big power... that was NEVER its point. To me it hits all its requirements of a low slung light weight (by modern standard) RWD car with manual, that can handle daily commute, carry 4 people if needed, that is chuckable. I do not see a world beating 0-60 time as even priority for Toyota or Subaru, unless you are the type to burn rubber every stop light and beat every car off the line, then perhaps this car isn't targeting you as their market.

You are also comparing a used car (that depreciated already) to a new car... and talking about 'especially tuned' 2.0 Supra to a completely stock vehicle with warranty is comparing apples to oranges. Stock for Stock, in Canada anyways, there is an easy 20k difference there (58k starting price for a new 2.0 Supra, the last loaded 86GT was maybe at most 36k)

No, I am not saying the 86 is flawless, no car ever is, but for the relatively low price of entry, you get a good looking, fun driving, well equipped, enough power, 2+2, RWD 6 speed coupe, there isn't much out there today that hits those enthusiast spots like this anymore.

Precisely.

I suspect the car will respond to mods just as well as the first-gen, and be just as easy to pull out weight.

E85 + header/tune, will likely have it in 225-230 whp range. The previous gen was super easy to pull out 100-150 lbs without touching anything like sound deadening or AC or other creature comforts. You could pull 70lbs out of the car just with a nice looking rear seat delete, AP Sprint front BBK, and lightweight battery.

2700 lbs with 230 whp, with 255 (this is what I ran on my 1st gen, 255/35/18 Star Specs) or 265 wide sticky 200TW is going to be a blast for anyone who isn't concerned with bragging about dyno numbers or doing highway pulls.

I'm just waiting for the specs/price on the Performance Trim level Z. If it's too heavy and/or $50k. BRZ/GR 86 here I come.