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The truth is that Mazda had the conviction to make this car RWD regardless of development costs because that is the best way to make it perform - best way to keep its fan base. BMW should too.
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Naturally I prefer the RWD driving dynamic that I have come to know and appreciate from BMW but as I mentioned before I will wait and see what the FWD driving dynamic is like and how similar or different it is from MINI before I pass judgment. I understand the BMW is a business and of course businesses make money and want to be profitable. One way to do that is to share technology between brands and or car lines. However I think that BMW Group has to be very cautious and careful in how the differentiate the brands between MINI and the new FWD BMW's. - J
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Says who? The Solstice/Saturn Sky did fine in this segment. And of course the BMW 4cyl (N20, probably) would smoke anything GM put in a car.
Get used to it, 6/8 cylinders in non performance cars is going (and already gone) away, across several manufacturers. Again, "buyer's want" is an artificial term. You know how many female 328 drivers I see/know that have no clue that they have a inline 6? Do they care? Of course not, nor does most of the general public. Goes fast, gets decent mileage = plenty of smiles. Doesn't matter if 4/6/8. |
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From all you have mentioned now we have 1,2,3,5,6,7 z1,z2,z5, x1,x3,x5,x6 m2,m3,m5,x6m,x5m,z2m
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http://www.bimmerpost.com/future-bmw/ that should give a rough timeline for some of the models. - J
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2 series...?!
AH! *stabs self in eyes*
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Forgot 4, x1m, x3m, z4m and possible m4
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That reminds me so much of Honda's epic fail with marketing the last Civic Type-R as Superhatch. Lets make up a name for every car in a model line, so only a true BMW addict can navigate this labyrinth of words! //Marketing division ftw. Stop it, BMW! Give us good cars, not riddles. |
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LOL! It's those stupid round lights!! I'm happy to hear the 1M was not a limited ed and will carry on as the M2, but PLEASE don't make it hideous! I'm already bummed about not getting one of the 1M's this year... btw, since the name is changing to M2, will that make the 1M some kind of rare collector's edition?? (double sad for not getting one)
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might have to pull your " CAR GUY" card for not knowing that the Miata is RWD. it's been out for just a LITTLE while.. |
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LOL true, but not for too long, its not a German car, so its a big off my car guy radar
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Many people who are ignorant of their cars mechanicals can still appreaciate a good handling car. IMO, BMW are underestimating and disrespecting their customers if their marketing relies on the argument that Don't know = Don't care. |
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Thanks for posting this addendum, SCOTT. south, can you add this info to the OP?
This strategy makes a lot more sense than having a FWD Z2 with the only RWD alternateive being a much larger Z4. I really like the looks of that Z3 render you posted. That is amazing. So then, it could end up being: Z1: UKL Z3: F2x-based Z5: F3x-based IOW, for the RWD roadsters, the platform is one size smaller than you'd guess it might be from the name. I can accept that, I suppose. The only thing that does not makes sense is moving the roadsters back to odd numbers just as you are finally getting all the 4 seat coupes and convertibles to the even numbers. Oh well. Quote:
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They want to bring back the Z3 (Which was originally the Z2) Z3 will be with a Soft-top and Coupe. Z5 will allow the next Z4 to grow slightly larger as Roadster with a folding hard-top. Z3 and Z5 will be the RWD offerings with the entry Z1 being moved to FWD and the UKL platform. Z1 will share with the next MINI Coupe/Roadster/Spyder. Z3 and Z5 will utilise the modular platform within the F20/F30 models.
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Thanks for confirming I was thinking along the right lines.
I would prefer Z0, Z2, Z4 for names, but that's a minor gripe. Actually, though, I have to say that "Zee-Zero" sounds pretty cool - very sporty sounding. |
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That's a bummer that the Z2 will be moved to a FWD platform, but it is interesting to hear of a possible return of the Z3 as a RWD roadster/coupe.
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I guess the 22 years that the Miata/MX-5 has been around isn't too long. Also, what's wrong with the Honda S2000? It's a great handling RWD roadster with a high revving naturally aspirated engine and one of the best shifting 6MT's on the planet. The one complaint is that it doesn't have enough low end torque, but it's definitely an enthusiast's car.
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