[JMW330]

I just found a map and realized there are 3 cameras right near me. They probably pick me up every day because of the routes I go and where they are installed.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by JMW330

I just found a map and realized there are 3 cameras right near me. They probably pick me up every day because of the routes I go and where they are installed.

I have the Deflock app on my iPhone. I'm shocked how many it cameras it picks up.

https://deflock.org/app

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by jaffles

Yes should be more of that "pointless and reckless" public push back. I was joking with my mechanic who's the horsey type, he better get into breeding as horse and cart will be the only speed governance is happy with soon.

Well , I couldn't agree more.

These almost invisible money-milking machines are often installed by private companies with the approval of the local mayor.
After the agreement that always is, the contract is then signed with the government for the installations and the activation of the ANPR network (with facial recognition)! and the Trajectory Control systems.
Through this private deal, the local mayor and his city also receive a percentage of the speeding fines I pay.
Sounds like a great deal for them. Everyone gets a piece of the (my)! cake...

A real pain in the A$$ is when the distance of the trajectory measurement is longer than 10 km.
Don't know if you know how a trajectory control works : It is how long in time you drive between point A and point B. At point A and point B , speed cameras are hidden and that can be anywhere..
Very often the speed limits change in the trajectory control like 25 times from 30 km/h to 50 km/h over a distance of only 10 km .
You actually have to drive like a mentally disturbed person to avoid being robbed.. And that gives me heart rhythm disorders (!)
They turn it into a maze just to catch you and rob you of your money.

Sometimes it takes months and even longer to activate a trajectory control system. And then suddenly it turns out that the system is activated, while the car drivers think it is not and they receive 20-30 fines in their mailbox at once.
Then we are talking about speeding fines of tens of thousands of Euros (!)

I am certain that this is being done intentionally, and I consider this the highest degree of being robbed (!)
What I do know is that I get robbed every single time because they say it is for our safety .

[x622]

I was going to go into a long spiel about my take on the space since I'm in it but just deleted it.

This shit is just gonna continue happen until the plebs decide enough is enough.

https://map.sparrowmap.com/#about

Here's a link to a fun project.

[chris719]

Is this the one thing that unites the left and the right? How is it that we have these cameras but I have not met a single person that actually thinks they are a good idea?

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by chris719

Is this the one thing that unites the left and the right? How is it that we have these cameras but I have not met a single person that actually thinks they are a good idea?

Both sides if not all sides of governance and policing will be getting something, even if its just social license to say we caught "a" bad guy, or we stopped "an" unregistered car. Its nauseating what authorities are happy to spend on belittling the people who pay for their existence.

For every car enthusiast or civil libertarian who can see the carnage, there are a dozen or more drones happy to be cloned by the authoritarian figure keeping them safe. I really don't know why car manufacturers bothered to do anything around safety, authorities have completely ignored a post 2000 car is nothing like a 1920s car when many of the road rules were created. Still lower speeds, more cameras, and now trajectory is what is need to keep order and people safe. And they wonder why alcohol, drugs, and domestic violence keep climbing.

[Mikey240]

Originally Posted by jaffles

Ohh I reckon a fat suit, balaclava, and long chain from the blind side at 4am could produce some fun. Maybe an electric pipe cutter. Or perhaps few buck to a few youth with a bit of know how could fill in a school night.

What happen to land of the free. Seems US tech has created the world of the watched. Think we all need the have a ponder on the Brave part.

Freeging tech. Didn’t Arnold warn us about all of this in the second Terminator film?

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I'm not confident that the same people that gave us the Patriot Act and FISA Section 702 have any real interest in stopping the surveillance state.

Nah, they love it. It lets them keep an eye on us cretins. I mean, we’re always up to no good, right?

Originally Posted by chris719

Is this the one thing that unites the left and the right? How is it that we have these cameras but I have not met a single person that actually thinks they are a good idea?

It certainly could and should. I can’t think of many other bi-partisan issues like this where neither side stands to gain much and does stand to lose a lot if this shit gets more prevalent. I’m not convinced the world is really that hard-left or hard-right but that’s not for this discussion.

On a side note: is there a reason why we can’t come up with simple ways to make our plates hard to read and/or limit what can be seen? I mean, you’re allowed to use a radar detector which is sort of a way to get around possible speeding issues. Not quite the same thing but a decent example.

Like reflective coatings, little trap door that can be activated as needed, etc. might sound silly but if this is the game they want to play then we can play too.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Mikey240

On a side note: is there a reason why we can’t come up with simple ways to make our plates hard to read and/or limit what can be seen? I mean, you’re allowed to use a radar detector which is sort of a way to get around possible speeding issues. Not quite the same thing but a decent example.

Like reflective coatings, little trap door that can be activated as needed, etc. might sound silly but if this is the game they want to play then we can play too.

More good news:
Making a license plate completely "Flock-proof" or immune to automated license plate readers (ALPR) using physical modifications is largely ineffective and often illegal. Flock Safety systems utilize high-resolution optical character recognition (OCR) paired with vehicle fingerprinting technology that logs make, model, color, and unique body features even if a plate is obscured.

Looks like we are "Flocked"

[jaffles]

maybe ask them is this ok to register as the new ride

Has personality, reliable (mostly), top speed 44mph, only 17 hands high, 2 seater, 1 HP. Surly that's slow and safe enough.
Oh hang on, what about the wee and poo, was that not part of how the car came about.

[Car-Addicted]

The Supreme Court just issued a major ruling that strengthens the Fourth Amendment protections that Flock has been exploiting “On the heels of the recent Supreme Court ruling on geofencing and how that violates the Fourth Amendment, a US district judge has now ruled that tower dump warrants also violates the Fourth Amendment. As a reminder, the Supreme Court ruled that your location data is protected by the Fourth Amendment.

The Supreme Court's ruling could potentially be setting Flock up for violating the same thing because Flock had previously leaned on Carpenter v. United States to claim that they are constitutionally protected and allowed to surveil and store people's data the way that they do.

If tower dumps require particularized probable cause because they expose people’s movements, so should a database reconstructing them from license plates?

We need a test case to go to SCOTUS to stop this.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by jaffles

For every car enthusiast or civil libertarian who can see the carnage, there are a dozen or more drones happy to be cloned by the authoritarian figure keeping them safe. I really don't know why car manufacturers bothered to do anything around safety, authorities have completely ignored a post 2000 car is nothing like a 1920s car when many of the road rules were created. Still lower speeds, more cameras, and now trajectory is what is need to keep order and people safe. And they wonder why alcohol, drugs, and domestic violence keep climbing.

There has always been a tiny but incredibly vocal minority that has nothing better to do than bleat on about “safety”. I feel they are mentally ill. They head up faux safety organisations and put out press releases. Normal people just put up with it as they have better things to do. Then again that’s how the world works across many stupid decisions. Squeaky wheel syndrome.

[Car-Addicted]

Maybe not what Thoreau had in mind?
“It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.”
― Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

[Mikey240]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

More good news:
Making a license plate completely "Flock-proof" or immune to automated license plate readers (ALPR) using physical modifications is largely ineffective and often illegal. Flock Safety systems utilize high-resolution optical character recognition (OCR) paired with vehicle fingerprinting technology that logs make, model, color, and unique body features even if a plate is obscured.

Looks like we are "Flocked"

The illegal part doesn’t bother me but ineffective does. There has to be a way to muck up the image!

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The Supreme Court just issued a major ruling that strengthens the Fourth Amendment protections that Flock has been exploiting “On the heels of the recent Supreme Court ruling on geofencing and how that violates the Fourth Amendment, a US district judge has now ruled that tower dump warrants also violates the Fourth Amendment. As a reminder, the Supreme Court ruled that your location data is protected by the Fourth Amendment.

The Supreme Court's ruling could potentially be setting Flock up for violating the same thing because Flock had previously leaned on Carpenter v. United States to claim that they are constitutionally protected and allowed to surveil and store people's data the way that they do.

If tower dumps require particularized probable cause because they expose people’s movements, so should a database reconstructing them from license plates?

We need a test case to go to SCOTUS to stop this.

At least some good news.

Originally Posted by Davil

There has always been a tiny but incredibly vocal minority that has nothing better to do than bleat on about “safety”. I feel they are mentally ill. They head up faux safety organisations and put out press releases. Normal people just put up with it as they have better things to do. Then again that’s how the world works across many stupid decisions. Squeaky wheel syndrome.

Yep, such groups are fringe(as are many other noisy organizations) that try to make it seem like they represent most of us. They surely do not.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Maybe not what Thoreau had in mind?
“It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.”
― Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

The pic looks great and nailed it (!)

[Car-Addicted]

As far as public safety, It seems to me that tax dollars would be better spent on putting repeat offenders in jail. Every time I read about a drive by shooting or a car jacking the offender has a mile long rap sheet. Stop treading on personal liberties and incarcerate the criminals. Spend some money on more police and better training. Stop electing judges that think a ankle monitor or that restorative justice is the answer. Me, I lost faith in the system a long time ago, It's concealed carry and range time for me.
We all know this surveillance will be use for things not involving crime.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Mikey240

.

On a side note: is there a reason why we can’t come up with simple ways to make our plates hard to read and/or limit what can be seen? I mean, you’re allowed to use a radar detector which is sort of a way to get around possible speeding issues. Not quite the same thing but a decent example.

Like reflective coatings, little trap door that can be activated as needed, etc. might sound silly but if this is the game they want to play then we can play too.

You are not allowed to defeat detection devices. That could land you with a felony conviction.

You ARE allowed to listen to a single band which is not tunable. This was the precedent set based on the interpretation of the Federal Communications Act of 1934 which currently allows us to use radar detectors.

Be careful! It's a narrow definition and has been defeated in some states which is why for example they're illegal to operate in VA.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Maybe not what Thoreau had in mind?
“It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.”
― Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

This infrared thing catches cyclists riding faster than 15 km/h (9.32 mph) on a small country road and then rob them with a fine.

Look at the camouflage net on the tripod, ready to pull it over. And presented with great pride (!)

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

As far as public safety, It seems to me that tax dollars would be better spent on putting repeat offenders in jail. Every time I read about a drive by shooting or a car jacking the offender has a mile long rap sheet. Stop treading on personal liberties and incarcerate the criminals. Spend some money on more police and better training. Stop electing judges that think a ankle monitor or that restorative justice is the answer. Me, I lost faith in the system a long time ago, It's concealed carry and range time for me.
We all know this surveillance will be use for things not involving crime.

Yes of similar position. It must be a governance thing around the world. Spend the communities money on beating up on community, to stop the minority.

For my money I'd accept 2 offences if minor, but a 3rd sees under 25s removed from family/community for 2 years to somewhere a long way from anywhere. They learn respect, self worth, team work, commitment, English and math, and a place/job in the defense force when done. By then you would hope they have changed so much and have a future, that returning to the family may be a painful experience, but the future has more pull than the past. Locking them up with no plan besides detainment, is no plan. This getting heavier and heavier on community hoping to beat them into robots via fines and policing is a clueless form of governance.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This infrared thing catches cyclists riding faster than 15 km/h (9.32 mph) on a small country road and then rob them with a fine.

Look at the camouflage net on the tripod, ready to pull it over. And presented with great pride (!)

Don’t even need name tags to know their names.

[x622]

I find that those with the least amount of success, and then given a bit of power are the most tyrannical.

[gonzo]

^
Does Sound Accurate.

[jkoral]

New policies
- Delete data after 7 days instead of 30
- Database search requires criminal case number
- Lock out officers who search patterns look abnormal