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I just didnt realize those also suffered from rod bearings as didn't the s54 in the E36M rev slightly lower? 7600 rpm redline?? But regardless...I stand corrected...E36M as well |
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As for BMW and Mercedes making worse cars, that I 100% disagree. Worse for who? Maybe for you but without focusing on one thing or aspect, the F3X, overall, was better than the E9X and the G20 looks to be better than the F3X. As for Mercedes, their line up has been as good as I could remember. BMW might make "worse" cars for the "enthusiast" (depending on who you ask), but the enthusiast doesn't pay the bills. To be perfectly honest, I'm starting to get tired of this "enthusiast" argument. Not directing that at you, but in general. If you go search dealer inventory, tell me how many F3X 40i are still on the lot and then try to find out how many "enthusiasts" are getting a G20 330i instead. |
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That ship sailed a long time ago. BMW builds vehicles where there is market demand. People want smooth ride, gizmos galore, flaccid steering, etc, etc and that is exactly what they are delivering. The enthusiast has to step to a more expensive model or a M-Car. As much as some here long for the days of manual transmissions, hydraulic power steering, station wagons, interiors fitted with the bare necessities for driving, those days are gone. Market realities today are vastly different of what they were 20 years ago. The concept of automobile ownership and user interaction is drastically changing. Mobility in the next 20-30 years could possible be mostly automation and likely will not have to own cars anymore. Heck even younger generations are not as vested into car ownership as us old timers did back in our day. Look how the Cadillac ATS flopped in the marketplace. By all accounts it was the perfect enthusiast tuned and oriented sports sedan. Small, balanced, RWD, manual transmission.... no one cared!! GM will axe it if it hasn't already.
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I was in Germany for a visit when I could hear a conversation of some older folks about the different characteristics of the German brands.
One of them said: "Look, it's easy: In a BMW you want to drive, in a MB you want to be driven. And about Audi we can't say anything". Laughter and consent. We will see how they will differentiate the new gen cars though. Suspension for example is still something they can adjust like before to achieve certain characteristics. |
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As for The F3X being somewhat of a turning point, I do agree with you that it is a vehicle that BMW changed a lot relative to its history but overall, assuming it's spec'd to a certain point, it's still a 3 Series in a sense that it's still offers a great overall vehicle. But with that said, this is where the "enthusiast" doesn't seem to know what they want. I can tell you of a dealership that has no less than 18 units of 340i's left in stock all decently spec'd or spec'd with all the M Performance bits. From what's available today, the so called enthusiasts are not even jumping on these 340i's that can be had at the old BMW pricing/rates and then some, instead they're jumping on G20 330i's and are happy to pay on average $750+/month. So if we're go by the notion that BMW are building less "driver" orientated cars, how are 340i's being overlooked by G20 330i's by so called "enthusiasts"? It has to be one of the following: the specific enthusiast market is so minuscule (which we already know is true), or they have gone with the masses and decided to go with what is newer is best. In either case, BMW is just following and giving what the market is asking. |
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Ford and GM have two legacy marques, the Mustang and Camero. Both Ford and GM have improved those cars drastically in the last 15 years, yet both have retained the core of the Pony Car (a moniker created by the Mustang). BMW should do the same IMO. Even the M3/M4 is an over-priced caricature of itself.
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this is really no different than say buying say transmissions from ZF, or paying bosch for injectors.
If it makes it sound better, what if mercedes and BMW form a joint venture to make electric vehicle platforms that they will both be using. There no reason to duplicate work that will more or less be the same and these smaller companies are not going to have the ability to compete with a VW that can spread the development costs over like 8 brands or whatever they have. |
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Bmw will be back in F1 again
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It'll be interesting to see the take up rate of the Genesis G70 with a manual trans and the turbo 4-banger. I doubt it drives as nice as the ATS.
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My 335i was an exercise in way too much power for the chassis, a BMW first. And the E90 M3 while fine in most aspects, was way too heavy. For me the inflection point was the E46. The 330i ZHP was as fine a sports sedan as BMW has ever produced. With the E90 forward you had to get an M car to bring back the magic. Before that, you didn’t.
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The F30 in 2013 when I first drove it, I found completely lacking any remainence of a BMW sports sedan. The ATS 2.0L, which I drove a week later after a week in an F30 335i, also helped my opinion that the F30 missed the mark. A lot of my opinion has to do with turbocharging. Throwing a turbo onto an in-line 6, kills the character of it. It just unbalances the car IMO. IMO the Caddy was better balanced even with just the turbo-4 and the 6speed auto. It's not a old man, Luddite thing, I've given turbo cars a chance, and I just don't like them and why I passed just last summer on a new leftover 2017 ATS automatic. I just can't do an automatic AND a 4 cylinder turbo. |
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Merc becoming like BMW and BMW becoming like Merc in recent years.
This was going to happen eventually, especially with the shift to EVs disrupting the entire industry.
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I think the auto industry is in worse shape than what is being portrayed publicly and moves like this give us a little insight on what is really happening. This is a survival move. It is not the threat of EVs, yet, but that will be another factor in the coming years.
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