10-24-2018, 10:55 AM | #67 |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
I heard blah, blah, blah, I love apple....nothing more. None of the selling points mentioned in his video are anything that pertain to me or my usage of a device. Perhaps I'm old and don't rely on my phone for the same reasons those in the age groups of 14 - 30 year olds. If a person is an apple fan and has multiple apple devices, buy an iPhone.
I will give him credit for the open source comments about security. At the end of the day, smart phones are going to do basically the same thing: lure you into using their device so that the companies can build a profile of the user for marketing purposes. When it comes down to it, there is very little difference between IOS and Android, it's simply the user's preference. |
Appreciate
1
deleted_397282_c43ae5ea84160.50 |
10-24-2018, 11:20 AM | #68 |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
Curious to hear how I am androids product? You honestly feel that apple doesn't track usage of their devices for marketing?
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 11:33 AM | #69 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 11:49 AM | #70 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
Quote:
I use my phone to make calls, respond to emails and send/receive text messages, take/edit pictures for work, calculator; occasionally use the GPS that's it. I'm not one who needs to constantly have my phone in my hand/believes that life revolves around my online presence. I have far too many things in real life to achieve, like actually living my life, noticing what is around me, experience it without sharing it on social media, etc. I also realize I am the exception rather than the case. To answer your question, I feel that the facebook app and my android phone tracks my usage to build a marketing campaign for me, just as your iPhone does. Go into your settings and disable all the tracking bs that apple has just the same as android has and see how that affects your experience with your phone. |
|
Appreciate
1
deleted_397282_c43ae5ea84160.50 |
10-24-2018, 11:54 AM | #71 | |
Emperor
1614
Rep 2,764
Posts |
Quote:
The 2018 replacement for facts.
__________________
2005 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Wagon, 2001 M5 Sedan, 2008 M5 6MT Sedan, 2012 128i M sport |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 11:58 AM | #72 |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 12:37 PM | #73 | ||
Emperor
1614
Rep 2,764
Posts |
Quote:
That said, key differences include... -android collects an order of magnitude more -Google makes their money by selling data. Apple does not sell any data (they make their money selling hardware). -Apple anonymizes data whenever possible, so they can't access it even if they wanted to (more specifically, they can't even if compelled by a search warrant). Saying that tracking and data mining is the same on both platforms is nothing short of incredibly naive. Quote:
Google Confirms It Still Tracks Users Who Disable Location Tracking Android is paid for by selling user data. That's the cost. iOS is paid for by selling iOS devices. The cost is the higher price point. Facebook was the first data seller to get exposed. But, they won't be the last-- and google will be the biggest.
__________________
2005 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Wagon, 2001 M5 Sedan, 2008 M5 6MT Sedan, 2012 128i M sport Last edited by Obioban; 10-24-2018 at 12:44 PM.. |
||
Appreciate
1
deleted_397282_c43ae5ea84160.50 |
10-24-2018, 12:48 PM | #74 |
Major
1255
Rep 1,352
Posts |
The security argument is an example of why the right debate isn't iOS vs. Android, it's iPhone vs. Samsung/BlackBerry/Google/LG. iPhones are not inherently more secure than what BlackBerry's done with Android or Samsung (Secure folder/Knox) or Google itself (latest example being Titan M).
I'm not considering Brand X Android phone. I am considering the Note 9 and the Pixel 3 primarily (if BlackBerry had wireless charging on the Key2 that might have been in the debate but the specs are a bit meh in general). So, whether the XS or XR is a better phone than a Nokia or Oppo is irrelevant. As for the data argument, no question Google collects information for monetization purposes. So does Apple (in a different way). However, the phone (for me) is a lever into the Microsoft ecosystem and I use very little of Google's actual services as would be the case with iOS. I don't use Google Drive and I wouldn't use iCloud. I don't use Google Docs and I wouldn't use iWork (if that's still what it's called). The idea that Apple is more privacy sensitive is misleading. Apple uses the data it collects not just to sell hardware but to specifically tailor it's systems and platforms to wall you into their ecosystem. The difficulty in sideloading iOS apps has nothing to do with security ... it has everything to do with Apple protecting it's commissions on the App Store which in turn is wildly important to Apple for data collection purposes. None of these companies have the consumer's interests at heart. They all use your data to enhance revenue. While their usage models might vary, they are ultimately all in the same game. ps. Xbox Last edited by JohnnyCanuck; 10-24-2018 at 12:56 PM.. |
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 12:55 PM | #75 |
Emperor
1614
Rep 2,764
Posts |
Selling user data and security are two different topics, imo.
Blackberry has done some interesting stuff with security within android-- but I have yet to meet a single person who has purchased one, and don't know how much longer they'll be offered (presumably if they continue to lose money, they'll stop being sold at some point). Separately/unrelatedly: Were I getting an android phone, it would be an easy choice for me-- the current Pixel, every time.
__________________
2005 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Wagon, 2001 M5 Sedan, 2008 M5 6MT Sedan, 2012 128i M sport |
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 01:01 PM | #76 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
Quote:
Google obviously sells user data, this is no secret; I'm not debating this fact. To say that apple doesn't sell ANY user data for marketing is simply not factual. It may not be done on the same scale as Google but it is being done. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 01:03 PM | #77 |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
Negative. I'm responding to a comment made stating that "Apple does not sell any data."
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 01:17 PM | #78 |
Lieutenant General
7418
Rep 11,885
Posts
Drives: MY24 G01 AW Msport
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: L.I. NY
|
as far as i can remember i have owned 4 motorola beeper/pager
2 nextels, motorola flip phone ( 2 covers blue n grey), lg phone, blackberries, samsung but no iphone lol. currently have S8+ |
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 01:23 PM | #79 | ||
Emperor
1614
Rep 2,764
Posts |
Quote:
https://developer.apple.com/library/...nOverview.html Quote:
__________________
2005 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Wagon, 2001 M5 Sedan, 2008 M5 6MT Sedan, 2012 128i M sport |
||
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 01:27 PM | #80 |
Lieutenant Colonel
1347
Rep 1,882
Posts |
what i have gathered here is that iphone is better for people who have something to hide, or are criminals....
__________________
I am never able to post pictures on forums, all my pics are on IG @baye30 https://www.instagram.com/baye30/
Current Garage - [2011 E90 M3 ZCP] [2005 E53 X5 3.0 Sport] [1988 E30 325IS 24V] |
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 01:33 PM | #81 |
Emperor
1614
Rep 2,764
Posts |
Among other's who value their privacy and the security of their data, yes it is.
__________________
2005 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Wagon, 2001 M5 Sedan, 2008 M5 6MT Sedan, 2012 128i M sport |
Appreciate
1
deleted_397282_c43ae5ea84160.50 |
10-24-2018, 01:51 PM | #82 |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
"At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers."
Taken from here. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ |
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 02:00 PM | #83 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
1
deleted_397282_c43ae5ea84160.50 |
10-24-2018, 02:01 PM | #84 | |
Emperor
1614
Rep 2,764
Posts |
Yeah, you really pulled that out of context to make it look like something it wasn't.
Entire paragraph: Quote:
__________________
2005 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Wagon, 2001 M5 Sedan, 2008 M5 6MT Sedan, 2012 128i M sport |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 02:04 PM | #85 |
Major
1255
Rep 1,352
Posts |
I didn't start this thread so it would be another iOS vs. Android fan competition. I was actually considering the X_ and wanted thoughts of Android users who had experience with both platforms. I've now mostly decided on Android and was soliciting feedback on particular phones.
Can we not get into the weeds on Apple vs. Android. I'm actually lukewarm on both and feel that BB OS10 and WP8.1/10 were far ahead of where we are with iOS and Oreo (haven't used Pie) ... but that's the reality. |
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 02:09 PM | #86 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
13066
Rep 1,965
Posts |
Quote:
Let's start a new topic. iPhones assume people's gender. |
|
Appreciate
1
deleted_397282_c43ae5ea84160.50 |
10-24-2018, 02:46 PM | #87 |
Colonel
2447
Rep 2,537
Posts |
So much misinformation here. Its astounding. The text from the Privacy Policy basically spelled it out, and it was pasted above.
Apple does the exact same thing with your information that the other giants (Facebook, Google, Microsoft, for example) do. While they do not sell it directly, they provide a way for advertisers a use the data to serve targeted ads to you. iOS is NOT more private/secure than Android by simply not being associated with Google. Security and privacy come down to the apps you use. You have to grant specific permissions for them, if you are unsettled by the permissions something requires, you can choose to not use it. Simple as that. The one spot where I believe Android has the edge is the open source nature of Android. Anyone can check out the code and find/fix bugs that could cause loss of privacy or other types of intrusions. One spot where I believe iOS has the edge is the strict review of every app that ends up on the App Store. (I have several apps published on both Google Play and App Store, the later, is a pain in the rear). But in the end, if you want 100% data privacy on your phone, Get a "dumb" flip phone. |
Appreciate
0
|
10-24-2018, 02:51 PM | #88 |
Colonel
2447
Rep 2,537
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|