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This is traveling down the proverbial rabbit hole huh.
It depends how hard BMW hits the baby Ms with.
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The new model will be lighter weight than the M3 CS so even if power and gearing was exactly the same, performance would be significantly improved over current M3 If you want raw power, go buy a Hellcat |
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6-7 years ago any BMW you drove provided a fun driving experience even on the slowest models. Now only the M models provide a hint of that excitement. The M2 comes closest to what the brand used to represent. The current non-m cars are bland shadows of what BMWs of the past were. They are extremely capable cars, but lack emotion provide little dynamic edge over competitors |
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12-07-2017, 02:35 PM | #51 |
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E36 M3 had redeeming qualities, you know like steering feel, N/A inline 6, nice throttle response, good sound, right dimensions, fairly light weight
Lets hope the G80 M3 is not just a bland german entry level saloon with 500hp and a harsh suspension that is boring to drive. We need some of that BMW magic back |
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12-07-2017, 03:05 PM | #54 |
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Why pretend to be a shittier version of Audi, when BMW had their own proper identity and that's what made them successful? Why would you buy a BMW when Audi does it originally better and they offer the exact same class' superior product? Van Meel is a moron.
They are simply copying everything about the VAG group's strategy with zero redemption. Porsche is the perfect example of selling out yet still having a saving grace. They're a SUV automaker now that also has a niche lineup of amazing sports cars that made them successful in the first place. BMW fails to offer that whatsoever. They rehash engines and technology from the previous generation, put some lipstick on it, and pump it out as their best offering. Fuck that shit. If you're going to make M'd out grocery getters everywhere in your portfolio, at least give us a few thrilling, true sports car models ala Porsche's GT-series.
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So the line up for the 3,4,5 series will probably be something like
A4?330i S4?M340i RS4-M3 A5?430i S5?M440i RS5-M4 A6?530i S6?M550i RS6-M5 I'm assuming the 440i will only be available in a M440i trim. You will not be able to get a regular 440i like you can now with out M performance it will either be 430i or M440i. Same with M240i, M340i, M550i, M850i etc.. basically if you want more power than a 4 cyl. Car you will have to move up to an M performance model and if that's not enough you will have to go full M. It actually makes a lot of sense Audi does the exact same thing you can not get an A5 with a 6 cyl. Engine you have to move up to the S5. Price and performance for the 4 will probably look like: 430i—-255hp?-$45k M440i-380hp?-$65k M4??—480hp?-$85k Enough of a gap to keep competition between model versions.
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Or a 6 speed stick
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Textbook brand dilution.
I suppose the older M's will benefit from this digression. Once BMW switches over to electric and matches Tesla performance, these recent generation "by the numbers" Ms will be nothing special. |
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I used to look forward to the jump from one generation M5/M3 to the next.
Now, for whatever reason, I don’t feel that attachment to either. An entire generation of the M3/M4 turbo has come and gone and I couldn’t care less. It was a slide over for turbos to appease environmental restrictions and not a move to grassroots 6 cylinder engines. The cars seem underwhelmed, the reviews for the cars seem to say they’re underwhelmed then the marketing group slaps on performance packages that should have been on the car in the first place. Doesn’t everyone remember the anticipation of the e46 from e36 and the e90 from the e46? I’d pick up the magazines and dream of the day I’d get any one of those cars, now I look at the dealership across the street - Porsche. And for the first time I think the M5 is being compared to the E63 AMG as the benchmark and for the first time I would seriously consider it as a daily. |
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