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06-27-2013, 07:06 PM | #46 |
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GTI should no longer considered a "hot hatch". Maybe 10-15 years ago, but not today. Maybe a "hot daily driver" but true hot hatch? That segment is too competitive, and the GTI as a brand has fallen way behind.
Also, this comparison may have made more sense with a ///M1 (no such thing?), amgA45 (whatever its called) and a Golf R. What we just saw here is entertainment for the sake of entertainment. No real conclusions can be drawn. Having said that, Looks like Steve lost some weight and slimmed down quite a bit. Good for him! |
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06-27-2013, 07:17 PM | #48 |
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Wait........this Benz is coming to US in hatchback form????
edit: No its not, Damn you......Merc I'll just take one of these instead for my daily commute http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/06/epic-lancia/
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06-27-2013, 08:34 PM | #50 |
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I took a long look at the CLA45AMG when it was introduced at the NY Auto Show and its an attractive ride, especially that hand-built engine!
What I don't like is the limited rear seat headroom; and some of the switchgear is kinda funky, but I guess they had to cut corners someplace. The main drawback IMO in the horizontally opposed engine hanging over the front axle and mandatory AWD. I think the CLA45AMG is priced around a highly optioned 335i XDrive, and I think I'd go for the Bimmer.
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06-28-2013, 02:00 AM | #52 |
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the Mercedes aesthetic philosophy is just loosing me... I don't feel attracted to the sheet-metal at all, or the interior.
I know its not about looks but...
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06-28-2013, 05:35 AM | #54 | |
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06-28-2013, 05:41 AM | #55 | |
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Rumors are that 2 series has been retuned - lets hope for the best |
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06-28-2013, 05:55 AM | #56 |
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Back in the old days, M-cars were only sold to collectors and hard core driving enthusiasts. Now the buying groups is a lot larger, and I guess BMW have done their research about what these customers want. Most of them will never take their car to a track, and they actually prefer slightly soft suspension. The hard core guys will replace the suspension with aftermarket coilover kits anyway.
I am very pleased with both the suspension and the steering on our 116i M-Sport, and I am the type of person who use the car on race tracks. A lot of people have been surprised about how well this car works. That would not have been the case if the suspension or steering was flawed. |
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06-28-2013, 08:00 AM | #57 |
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I call BS. The Evo car, a magazine of people who know how to drive, rate the new AMG as a boring car while giving the M135 a whole lot of praise
Stop reading Autocar... absolute garbage |
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06-28-2013, 08:18 AM | #58 |
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This test is crap.
WTF is he doing "let's see if i can keep up with the AMG on this..." PUBLIC MOUNTAIN ROAD. They are openly speeding are they not? |
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06-28-2013, 09:57 AM | #59 |
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Autocar.co.uk should do their tests at a race track or closed circuit/road.
You can clearly see they are speeding and crossing white lines with oncoming traffic. I really don't like people who test a car on a public road. Well the AMG is a fantastic machine that set a new benchmark. Let's wait and see what VW and BMW have up their sleeves... |
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06-28-2013, 10:06 AM | #60 |
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I asked BMW a couple of years back what their strategy was about this horsepower race with Audi and Mercedes. The answer was that they didn't really care so much about engine power and straight line performance, but the BMW should be faster around a track. Seems like they are struggling to reach the target. The opposition has also started to focus on lap times.
I wish they would care less about performance, and more about making the car fun to drive. Aim for the Toyota GT86. |
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06-28-2013, 11:15 AM | #62 |
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These cars are not relevant in my opinion. They are priced differently and offer different levels of performance in different ways. That said, I think the video therefore highlights the incredible performance of the BMW and value for money compared to the others. The review should have rather focused on how different 'hot hatches' and not about seeing whether a W GTI can keep up with an A45 AMG! Pffft... The GTI is a such a great car nonetheless and ,wow, it weighs only 1380kg!
Anyway, it does not mean that even though the M135i looks like a direct competitor to the A45 (both being in hatchback form), that it necessarily is. But the general public will immediately look to the M135i when considering the A45's competitors (which is so annoying) and recognize that the A45 trumps the M135i in performance (which is the major selling point to most buyers). The extreme price difference will probably be viewed as, 'Mercedes Benz is always more expensive than BMW, so that price is acceptable'. But the price difference is really the fact that the MB is an AMG car and the BMW is not an M car(well, it's half an M)! The fact that M135i holds its own in performance relatively well and is priced much further below the A45 shows that it's still one of the best out there, but still sits below the the proper M version. Bring on the M2!!! |
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I'm guessing the MBZ/Audi has more understeer on turn in due to awd? |
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06-28-2013, 01:24 PM | #64 |
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I've never driven the A45 AMG, so I can't say from first-hand experience, but it is not strictly a necessity that AWD produce understeer. It is often the case that AWD cars do understeer more, but this is only because of the way they're set up, or because of the specific type of AWD system used, not specifically because the car is AWD.
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Since cars with FWD and AWD are more stable than RWD cars, they can generally be set up with less understeer, and still be driveable. When you are cornering under power with otherwise equal cars, a FWD car will understeer the most, and RWD the least, with AWD somewhere in between. During turn in, you are usually braking, or close to neutral throttle. In this situation, the basic balance of the car is what counts, not where the drive shafts are located. |
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