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Kinda wish they had done a rolling race. Other than that no surprises. I've owned the engine in that Z - the same engine that was in my Q50 RS400. It's a great engine, just happened to be paired with a lazy transmission. It's just no match for the B58 paired with a ZF 8spd.
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Some people think either the Nissan engineers are dumb or the bean counters are too cheap ass and fitted a set of inferior tyres on the Z than the 10Y+ MPSS The heavier weight and the smallish turbos on the Z instigated the loss on the straight...the stock Z engine doesn't have have much tuning potential given the smallish turbos...yeah you can probably do a 1-2 dyno run with a +50hp delta after a tune but on the third run the engine would heat soak and on the track it will go into limp mode after some hot laps. Nissan running the turbos to the max on a stock engine is a tell tale sign that the engine is not engineered for big power |
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Looking at that, before they launched I take the Mustang every time, the best looker by far and it has 2+2 in a pinch. This generation of Mustang is the most underrated car on the road i swear. |
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Ah ok. Yeah I think traction is an issue more so because of a crappy launch control system than tires. But a rolling start would not only eliminate that issue, it would give us a sense of top end acceleration. I don't expect the result to change, but just curious to see how much of a difference it is.
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I'm just going off what Casimma said. Are the Potenza 007a really better than the PS4 in the dry?
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That Hagerty video is phenomenal, great editing and no fluff.
Nissan really messed up with the pricing. Unless you're a diehard Nissan fan, why would anyone get it over the Supra when it's faster and more refined for more-or-less the same price. The manual Supra is quickly making it's way to the top of my next car list. |
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The new gen Stangs are amazing performers, but those 10 speed autos suck during normal driving (laggy, confused) and like GM with its special Camaros, Ford outfits its special Stangs with massive, super sticky MPS Cup 2 rubber to generate the numbers. In the real world, you're replacing tires every 5K miles or less. Too me, that's a Band-Aid to fix the mass issue with those cars. And even years after the same model production, the build quality of the Stang is pretty damn poor, especially in a $53K+ Mach 1. How can they still not get panel gaps right?
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Savagegeese has a good deep dive video. They were very impressed with the car.
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One does have to wonder just how much better, handling and braking wise, the offerings from Porsche, BMW, Audi, Toyota, Nissan, and Subaru would be if they outfitted their more standard performance offerings with the wonder tires Ford and GM have done with numerous sub $60K pony car models.
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another thing to consider with all these 3900 + pound sporty cars and sedans is longevity on a track. Sure an F90 M5 or GTR can post a very good 1 lap flyer for the magazine. But they don't tell you that these boats start overcooking their brakes and shredding their tires trying to achieve these times. meanwhile a cayman is going to happily lap all day at 100+ degree outdoor temps. no free lunches in this world. if you got a heavy car its going to eat through consumables faster than a lighter car. if you're engine makes alot of power, its going to generate more heat as a byproduct (especially if its forced induction)
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Didn't realize how small the Supra looks next to the Z.
Results are pretty much as expected from a dig. If they had conducted a rolling race I'm sure there would have been nothing in it between the Z and Supra, with the Mustang taking a small lead. I have a lot of respect for Mustangs but I could never own one. It seems the pricing is practically the same between the Z and Supra when you equip them as close as possible. But I wouldn't say its a lopsided victory for the Supra. Hence Toyota's response with a 6MT. If they hadn't made that decision that alone would have swayed me to the Z. |
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Z Perf or Supra would be a hard buy over M240i rwd when it arrives. If history repeats, it should come in at $46,500($2k less than the xdrive).
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Better than the stock PSS on the Supra so the Supra was already at a disadvantage running on PSS. The Supra has better rear traction because of the 50:50 weight distribution. The Z is more front heavy so off the line traction will always be an issue. The Z will be good for drifting though. |
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