[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Idk - 3rd & 5th are up in standard manual. I've also driven some manuals where 2nd & 4th were up (1st was down left).

Dogleg vs standard H

[FrankL]

Let's see. I can have something with a B48 or a B58 or some Kia-Hyundai-Genesis engine? No thanks. I would buy a Mazda before I bought a Kia-Hyundai-Genesis. I have an older backup car Ford with a 2.3 liter Mazda 4 cylinder engine. It is almost 20 years old but it is very reliable and they car looks almost new. Sadly, it is not a 2002 tii but it runs like it is brand new.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by FrankL

Let's see. I can have something with a B48 or a B58 or some Kia-Hyundai-Genesis engine? No thanks. I would buy a Mazda before I bought a Kia-Hyundai-Genesis. I have an older backup car Ford with a 2.3 liter Mazda 4 cylinder engine. It is almost 20 years old but it is very reliable and they car looks almost new. Sadly, it is not a 2002 tii but it runs like it is brand new.

Hmm, Kia ranks higher in dependibilty than BMW, Hyundai and Genesis are right behind BMW. Mazda is two more slots down behind Genesis, and Ford is 4 more slots below Mazda.

[Mikey240]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Hmm, Kia ranks higher in dependibilty than BMW, Hyundai and Genesis are right behind BMW. Mazda is two more slots down behind Genesis, and Ford is 4 more slots below Mazda.

Really? I Thought Kias were #1 in easiest-to-steal only.

Either way, lets be honest here: The brand & badge does make a difference when it comes to premium or performance cars. Always has. Kia/Hyandai just dont have the brand panache that I feel you need with cars like this.

[clutchdj]

Some of the best looking cars on the road and no more blue smoke trail from the tailpipe. :]