How fast is fast?

Em135eye · 03-16-2016, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

Ah, but you must have missed the big news - they make sport bikes with steering and brakes now too!

Still out cornered and outbraked by any high performance car.
Plus you will probably live to see 70...

Em135eye · 03-16-2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Twixboy

It means when you go so fast that your passenger starts cussing uncontrollably and sh!tting in his pants.

Well I've managed that several times in my humble M135i.
Brakes hard too.

mkoesel · 03-16-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Em135eye

Still out cornered and outbraked by any high performance car.
Plus you will probably live to see 70...

Sure, it comes with drawbacks. But, when it comes to "fast" (we're still talking about fast, right?

), that's definitely where they shine.

mremg · 03-16-2016, 02:18 PM

It honestly depends on many factors. I still remember my first track day, where one of the instructors in an 80s slow car trounced all the modern BMWs & Porsches on the track. Made us all realize how important driver skill is when driving fast.

But, most of what we enjoy everyday is Torquey acceleration which is what scares the passengers. You'll be surprised how quickly you get used to it if you drive a fast car everyday. Also, if you have an Electric car like Tesla, going fast is dull because of the lack of throaty engine sound.

MNoob · 03-16-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostedRide

How fast are the new M3s anyway?

That depends on who you ask, but there's internet proof that while not quite as fast as an R Spec Jenny, a stock M3 can walk a P1 from a dig or roll.

AM4ZING · 03-16-2016, 03:32 PM

2000+ whp lambo and it's still not enough

McBride · 03-16-2016, 03:45 PM

I think fast is relative to your surroundings.

What may seem a fast car in the UK may not seem as fast in the USA given that V6 & V8 engines are a common site.

A lot will say otherwise but I would consider a 320D a reasonably fast car. No it's no rocket and it won't win any races but compare it to your average run of the mill family car that make up a large proportion of the cars on the road? It will also go neck and neck with a fiesta ST which is a modern hot hatch.

Personally I would consider anything around 250bhp+ to be a pritty fast car with above average performance.

Em135eye · 03-16-2016, 04:01 PM

More power to weight ratio for me.
Lots of fairly powerful cars are so heavy, they struggle to move.
IMO 200bhp/tonne is when cars start getting fast.
But anything over 150 is perfectly nippy enough.

FriskyDingo · 03-16-2016, 04:07 PM

As others have said, it's really all relative. Depends on one's past measuring stick, and what it's being compared to.

For the sake of trying to 'answer' the question, I think anything low 12's and trapping in the 120 ballpark is fast for a 'real' street car.

jgoens · 03-16-2016, 04:10 PM

It's all just a dick measuring contest.

David70 · 03-16-2016, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AW335TT

Not always the case, the one that ones to mind is all the tests done with the 458 and 12C. In every measurable way the 12C was better.. But it was never declared the winner of anything.

Numbers just take all opinion and bias out of the equation and give an objective comparison.

Right, many go straight to the numbers and declare a winner when it isn't the only way to judge something. Similar to making a list of the attributes you care most with in the opposite sex (trying to not offend anyone), finding one that checks off all the boxes and declaring them the winner, only to then actually see them, talk to them, and realize they are a complete mess.

Objectively a Cayenne GTS is probably faster than my Z4M, check out 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, many would declare it the winner based on these numbers.

DieGrüneHölle · 03-16-2016, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by P1et

My friend had a Boost Logic Nissan GT-R with 1,200 hp. After riding in that, all other cars completely stand still for me. It almost ruined having a "fast" car for me. Oh well.

This happened to me riding in a high hp GTR. Literally everything feels slow now. Not really the hp number, but the way in which it puts that power down.

Never_Enough · 03-16-2016, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MNoob

That depends on who you ask, but there's internet proof that while not quite as fast as an R Spec Jenny, a stock M3 can walk a P1 from a dig or roll.

I don't see any real world numbers as your reply. :-p

MNoob · 03-16-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostedRide

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Originally Posted by MNoob

That depends on who you ask, but there's internet proof that while not quite as fast as an R Spec Jenny, a stock M3 can walk a P1 from a dig or roll.

I don't see any real world numbers as your reply. :-p

SakhirM4 · 03-16-2016, 09:18 PM

When I was in the Air Force and was flying the F4 Phantom, I thought it was fast because it would go 1600mph+. It was, however, a terrible daily driver - took miles to do a 180 and used thousands of gallons per hour.

So, being fast is not always the best measure

The Wind Breezes · 03-16-2016, 09:21 PM

Fast is entirely relative. Humans have been riding rocket powered craft for decades now and those can accelerate fast enough to kill people. Same with fighter jets / aerobatic planes, they are often limited in turning acceleration by what the pilot can withstand. Cars and bikes seem kinda disappointing when you realize that.

As far as cars go, very very few people on this forum have sat in, let alone driven, legitimately fast cars (top fuel dragster, sprint car, f1).

kunzjob · 03-16-2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Em135eye

Still out cornered and outbraked by any high performance car.
Plus you will probably live to see 70...

Um. No. Fastest moto time is from 2005 onboard a R1... 7:10 That was TEN YEARS AGO. Here is a newer S1000rr:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/al...deo-98740.html

The R1 time is within a second of a 2015 GT-R. As for living to 70, well that I have no argument for!

The Wind Breezes · 03-16-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kunzjob

Um. No. Fastest moto time is from 2005 onboard a R1... 7:10 That was TEN YEARS AGO. Here is a newer S1000rr:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/al...deo-98740.html

The R1 time is within a second of a 2015 GT-R. As for living to 70, well that I have no argument for!

Those nord laps are both BTG. The 2015 Nismo does a FULL LAP 7:08 lol.... Now, Carlisle's lap on the R1 is ridiculously impressive, and he isn't riding with any aids while the s1krr rider is relying on the traction control / maybe ABS. Unfortunately, cars with less than half the power / weight will do those lap times with a capable driver and good tires. Where does the extra time come from? How about corners and braking? Sorry, but bikes can't measure up in those areas, which is actually pretty damn disappointing considering modern 1000 supersports have ridiculous power / weight ratios, incredible rubber, and are more or less outright race machines with a few conveniences.

AW335TT · 03-16-2016, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by David70

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Originally Posted by AW335TT

Not always the case, the one that ones to mind is all the tests done with the 458 and 12C. In every measurable way the 12C was better.. But it was never declared the winner of anything.

Numbers just take all opinion and bias out of the equation and give an objective comparison.

Right, many go straight to the numbers and declare a winner when it isn't the only way to judge something. Similar to making a list of the attributes you care most with in the opposite sex (trying to not offend anyone), finding one that checks off all the boxes and declaring them the winner, only to then actually see them, talk to them, and realize they are a complete mess.

Objectively a Cayenne GTS is probably faster than my Z4M, check out 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, many would declare it the winner based on these numbers.

The winner in what?

You named 2 completely different cars.

P1 · 03-17-2016, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Blipit_

This happened to me riding in a high hp GTR. Literally everything feels slow now. Not really the hp number, but the way in which it puts that power down.

Agree with you. M6s, RS5s, they all feel slow to me.

SDH · 03-17-2016, 08:13 AM

I'd say fast for cars is 470MPH, thats the wheel-driven (so not incl jet cars) land speed record

Em135eye · 03-17-2016, 08:24 AM

We've been working with the Bloodhound team and been to the factory; 1000mph. Probably feels fast.
I think some get a distorted view; my point is my little hatch felt fast when I got it, felt (and was) fast when I tracked it, still feels fast.

It's a much healthier place to be in. For noticeable extra performance, I'd need to double my budget. Which I won't because that's being spent on a VW California.

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McBride First Lieutenant 131 Rep 364 Posts Drives: G31 M Sport + Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Leeds, UK iTrader: (0)	I think fast is relative to your surroundings. What may seem a fast car in the UK may not seem as fast in the USA given that V6 & V8 engines are a common site. A lot will say otherwise but I would consider a 320D a reasonably fast car. No it's no rocket and it won't win any races but compare it to your average run of the mill family car that make up a large proportion of the cars on the road? It will also go neck and neck with a fiesta ST which is a modern hot hatch. Personally I would consider anything around 250bhp+ to be a pritty fast car with above average performance.
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Em135eye Banned 176 Rep 4,302 Posts Drives: M135i Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South West iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW M135i 5 door [0.00]	More power to weight ratio for me. Lots of fairly powerful cars are so heavy, they struggle to move. IMO 200bhp/tonne is when cars start getting fast. But anything over 150 is perfectly nippy enough.
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FriskyDingo Rather Ambivalent 384 Rep 755 Posts Drives: Spiritedly Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Trapped In My Mind iTrader: (0)	As others have said, it's really all relative. Depends on one's past measuring stick, and what it's being compared to. For the sake of trying to 'answer' the question, I think anything low 12's and trapping in the 120 ballpark is fast for a 'real' street car.
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The Wind Breezes Lieutenant Colonel 919 Rep 1,848 Posts Drives: 135i N55 DCT Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Fast is entirely relative. Humans have been riding rocket powered craft for decades now and those can accelerate fast enough to kill people. Same with fighter jets / aerobatic planes, they are often limited in turning acceleration by what the pilot can withstand. Cars and bikes seem kinda disappointing when you realize that. As far as cars go, very very few people on this forum have sat in, let alone driven, legitimately fast cars (top fuel dragster, sprint car, f1).
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Em135eye Banned 176 Rep 4,302 Posts Drives: M135i Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South West iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW M135i 5 door [0.00]	We've been working with the Bloodhound team and been to the factory; 1000mph. Probably feels fast. I think some get a distorted view; my point is my little hatch felt fast when I got it, felt (and was) fast when I tracked it, still feels fast. It's a much healthier place to be in. For noticeable extra performance, I'd need to double my budget. Which I won't because that's being spent on a VW California.
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