[BobBMWX3]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

https://www.bmw-m.com/en/index.html

https://www.bmwmarkham.com/2020/06/0...m-performance/

Of the two links provided...The first one is BMWs M website. It indicates the vehicles it considers to be M owners. This would be BMWs official stance. For research purposes this is the strong contender for supporting documentation.

The second link is a dealer's impression. I would not consider this "official". It is just a dealer trying to help the end consumer with online shopping. They are explaining the difference to help a shopper.

Of course, this does not answer anything in regards of whether or not BMW watered down their M line or not....

[GoneIn4Secs]

Would a rose by any other name...

At this point in time, the people in charge of things at the highest levels of these corporations are unhinged lunatics with an agenda

So i wouldnt worry too much about what label 'they' put on it

As long at it has the components that you are looking for,

a solid high perf engine,
good chassis with suspension compnents designed to deliver and take a track beating,
Perf brakes,
Gearbox able to last high stress situations,
Electronic lsd

These things i would think make up the main components of an 'M car'..

[dscabra]

Let me put my flame-proof suit on...

Who is the bigger poser; someone that buys an M##I and drives it to work every day and never tracks it, or someone that buys an M# and does the same?

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by dscabra

Let me put my flame-proof suit on...

Who is the bigger poser; someone that buys an M##I and drives it to work every day and never tracks it, or someone that buys an M# and does the same?

Depends on whom you're posing for I guess.

[D22M2]

#Mtoo

[jp1984]

The more fighting that goes on the better for BMW.

M used to be the top sporting line, but if everything is M than they will make an ///Mr Package even higher equipped than the "core M3 edition"

[WOT48]

M cars are not what they're used to be.

[Chick Webb]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

You can scroll down to the bottom of this page and see all the "M" cars considered "M cars" by BMW.

https://www.bmw-m.com/en/index.html

This will explain more about the difference between "M Sport" which aren't badged M and other "M" cars.

https://www.bmwmarkham.com/2020/06/0...m-performance/

Thanks very much for that. Personal opinion:

• Wife's '17 540i w/M Sport - Not an M, though a great daily driver
• My '21 X6 M50i - Close, but not an M, though also a great (if gas hungry) daily driver and occasional canyon bomber
• My '10 M3 - Definitely an M, happiest bombing canyons or at the track

Frankly, I can't imagine tracking an X5/6, so the X5/6 M seem to me to be a bit over the top. The M50i is 85% of the performance for 80% of the price, and more than enough for the street.

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by Chick Webb

Thanks very much for that. Personal opinion:

• Wife's '17 540i w/M Sport - Not an M, though a great daily driver
• My '21 X6 M50i - Close, but not an M, though also a great (if gas hungry) daily driver and occasional canyon bomber
• My '10 M3 - Definitely an M, happiest bombing canyons or at the track

Frankly, I can't imagine tracking an X5/6, so the X5/6 M seem to me to be a bit over the top. The M50i is 85% of the performance for 80% of the price, and more than enough for the street.

Well put.

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by WOT48

M cars are not what they're used to be.

Pure nonsense. The new M550i's are faster than the F10 M5's. I have an F10 now with an M550i on the way. Handling better? No, but in every sense these are awesome cars. The new M550i is faster than the RS6 in 100-200kmh pulls on AutoTopNL and also faster on the track. People need educated on how good these cars are...

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by Onesie

He said "M cars".
The 550i is not an M car; the M5 is.

You can argue semantics all you want but the M series 550i is under the M division of BMW, so technically that's not true except to guys have M cars that want to be some protected class. I don't care, I have both. But to say M cars aren't what they used to be when a non M5 smokes Audi's flagship RS6 is just people trying to hang on their old models and feel good. They aren't what they used to be he is right, they are better. A brand new M5 is vastly superior to my F10.

[Suds]

Is an M the perfect car, he’ll no if you want to track it.
First thing I did was fix the factory faults, such as adding front camber plates, etc.

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Does the M550i have a VIN that starts with WBS or WBA?

Comparing a non-M car to an Audi to refute the opinion that M cars are not what they used to be makes no sense. Think about it.

I'll exemplify: if, for example, he tried to say "M cars used to be unique and exclusive, and far distant from the other non-M models", your example corroborates his assertion.

Oh I know what he means, he means M5/M3 (and not new ones typically) guy looking down on M2 guy. The "brand has been cheapened" thing
and it's less exclusive. You hear it a lot In M5 crowd. Rock your M2.

[AdrianSPFC]

If BMW says the car is M, its because M.
Maybe in the future BMW changes everything and the performance BMW cars will be called "S Performance".
For now BMW says "M for performance".
That means M= sport cars from BMW.
This is simple!

I dont know why some adults acting like kids from 5th grade here.

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by AdrianSPFC

If BMW says the car is M, its because M.
Maybe in the future BMW changes everything and the performance BMW cars will be called "S Performance".
For now BMW says "M for performance".
That means M= sport cars from BMW.
This is simple!

I dont know why some adults acting like kids from 5th grade here.

Too logical

[540iSUP]

Originally Posted by jp1984

The more fighting that goes on the better for BMW.

M used to be the top sporting line, but if everything is M than they will make an ///Mr Package even higher equipped than the "core M3 edition"

They already have the M Comp and M Comp Sport. They should've stuck with just M.

I have an M-sport 540i and my Bro-in-law keeps ragging on me because he expected me to buy an M5. He bought his wife an X1 M and thinks its an actual M because it has an M badge on the back. He drives an F-series 530i and says his car is better than mine because he gets better gas milage. BTW, he's a douche and no one except my sister-in-law and his daughter like him.

[Chihuahua]

This thread is brought to you by the letter 'M'.

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Nice first post! Welcome to the forums!




I get it. I thought people were discussing what constituted an M car.
While you have been trying to prove that your WBA VIN car is in fact produced by BMW M AG, because it's faster (sic) than an RS6.

More power to you! It's a nice car. Shouldn't have low self-esteem.

I have an M5 lol, I'm not sure I'm the one that licks old M labels and ties it to my self worth. Personal insults, the culture of BMW forums still alive and well I see.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by SomaM550i

You can argue semantics all you want but the M series 550i is under the M division of BMW, so technically that's not true except to guys have M cars that want to be some protected class. I don't care, I have both. But to say M cars aren't what they used to be when a non M5 smokes Audi's flagship RS6 is just people trying to hang on their old models and feel good. They aren't what they used to be he is right, they are better. A brand new M5 is vastly superior to my F10.

But the m5 can take corners and m550i cant

Thats the difference, and i dont think 'm550i is under M division' like you said

[TheoIam]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

This thread is brought to you by the letter 'M'.

Holy CRAP is that an Electric Company reference!? HA

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

But the m5 can take corners and m550i cant

Thats the difference, and i dont think 'm550i is under M division' like you said

www.bmw-m.com

The m550i can't take corners like the M5, they can take corners.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by SomaM550i

www.bmw-m.com

The m550i can't take corners like the M5, they can take corners.

They are trying to list SUVs as M cars, these arent M cars

M550i isnt an M car