[Car-Addicted]

Hmmm The free market is speaking.

California’s BEV market share hit a four-year low in Q1 2026

Battery-electric vehicle (BEV) sales fell 40.2% year-on-year in California during Q1 2026, pushing the state’s zero-emission market share down to 13.7%, the lowest level since Q4 2021, according to new data from the California New Car Dealers Association (CNCDA). Hybrid vehicles jumped ahead to claim a 20.9% share, while internal combustion engine (ICE) sales rose back to 61.1% from 54% a year earlier.

[BTB_6MT]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm glad you were not severely injured in that accident. Just out of curiosity, I take it the accident happened in Colorado? My niece was in a similar accident in Denver, except from the rear rather than the side. My niece was hit by an unlicensed, uninsured, highly "medicated" driver who plowed into her at 70+ MPH and caused a 7-car chain reaction accident. My niece was in a Ford Escape and unfortunately at the start of the chain reaction (i.e. the first car hit). The vehicle in front of my niece was a truck; the collision put the rearend of the Escape all the up to the rear of the front seats and the front end collapsed all the way up to the windshield. The roof buckled downward and cut open her scalp and knocked her out. The EMTs told her later that they thought she was dead and did not know how she survived the collision.

Your story and my niece's accident remind me to not drive in the drug free zone that is now Colorado. If the asshat that hit you "didn't make it" all the better for him.

Yep, in Colorado. At noon, on a bright and sunny Sunday, on a surface street.

Glad your niece wasn't more severely injured - I think my Polestar took a hit that otherwise would have been broadside to a small SUV with a family in it heading opposite to me...there would have been fatalities were that the case. Thank God for small miracles...I was in a heavy, low center of gravity vehicle that could take the hit on the correct side and protect me. Witnesses said both cars flew up into the air, and I landed on the hood of an Audi in another lane next to me, but somehow didn't roll. The Kia's engine was under the Kia and the passenger compartment was crumpled, the roof bowed upward.

When I was leaving the hospital I asked how the guy who hit me was...they said, "he's not going home." I didn't ask more. There were many witnesses and I never saw him before he hit me, so law enforcement didn't need anything else from me.

The good news is I was in the EV. The bad news (for the other guy) is, the other guy was not. I couldn't fathom what would have happened had he been in a 9,000lb Hummer EV.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Hmmm The free market is speaking.

California’s BEV market share hit a four-year low in Q1 2026

Battery-electric vehicle (BEV) sales fell 40.2% year-on-year in California during Q1 2026, pushing the state’s zero-emission market share down to 13.7%, the lowest level since Q4 2021, according to new data from the California New Car Dealers Association (CNCDA). Hybrid vehicles jumped ahead to claim a 20.9% share, while internal combustion engine (ICE) sales rose back to 61.1% from 54% a year earlier.

The Iran/USA conflict and the impact on gas prices is a pretty recent thing. It will take time for any real movement back to EVs to show up in the numbers. And if the flow of petroleum products remains impeded through the Strait of Hormus.

But the WSJ article (in the April 11 edition) did provide some indication EVs were experiencing some renewed interest and demand.

[Car-Addicted]

Live by China, Die by China

Global EV sales fall again in February

Global EV sales down 11% to just over 1 million
February sales down 32% in China, 35% in North America
Europe up 21%, rest of world up 78%

March 13 (Reuters) - Global EV registrations fell 11% in February, dragged by *China's largest sales drop since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in early 2020, data by consultancy Benchmark Mineral Intelligence (BMI) showed on Friday.
As governments worldwide hit the brake on policies designed to ​encourage purchases of electric cars, China has pulled funding for auto trade-ins, while a ​tax exemption on EV purchases in the country expired at the ⁠end of last year.

I think you will find EV sales and ESG trends parallel.

[kilowatt88]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

It is an overreaction to be sure.

However, if one is faced with the need to replace a vehicle/get a new vehicle there is no harm in comparing the pure ICE to a hybrid to an EV and being informed make the right decision.

If it happens to be hybrid/EV and it happens to coincide with the increase in gasoline prices that could be fortuitous.

For one reason or another though over reaction to the gasoline price has to be near if not at the top of the list a good number of drivers/vehicle owners have made the switch so many in fact there is talk of a resurrection of the EV due to the not inconsequential increase in demand.

I hear what you are saying, but what people dont realize is that electricity prices are going up just as much (and they NEVER ever go down), and then you have states (such as NJ recently) charging 5x for EV registration.
Add this to the overall higher EV cost and maintenance cost (Look this up in the real world, not what EV pushers are saying), you are saving nothing.

I would excerises an idea of the PHEV (Such as X5 e) just in case they decide to ration fuel (and remember with most people already having a "smart" meter, rationing electricity will be even easier (Dont believe me - look up at the capabilities of most smart meters, most people are completely clueless on this).

Just read in the news that they are ALREADY talking about rationing energy in places like Sweden and other EU countries.

[Car-Addicted]

I'm all in for Green vehicles

[jaffles]

Reckon if Donny wants a 51st State Australia fits his bill. Though we are probably too dumb even for him.

Our duopoly clown show has seen 30+ years of watching coal fired power stations fall into disrepair. Contract all our vast gas reserves for export at give away prices with little tax and thought for local supply, or even a price increase over the decades. So now we buy gas back at offensive prices that we sold for nicks to cover the spikes in demand as our coal power stations are or have closed. The owners are choosing to go to renewables.

As for oil we have used all the easy to source stuff up, so the demand of a small population has seen 8 refineries reduce to 2. Choosing to import most of our fuel from the EU via Asian refinement. Our current fearless leader is flying around groveling on our behalf for supply, and probably paying far more for it than what we are at the pump. His using Gas as a big stick, but its contacted for decades yet so kind of embarrassing really.

In the mean time insurance stated smashing us all for weather smashing us all. So clown 1 after a decade of little announces an ill planned and doomed hydro plant that unsurprisingly has seen major cost blow outs and is way way over time. When clown 2 got their chance under the spot light they rolled out a massive investment in renewables, like yesterday, which caused a spike on steroids to help pay for the infrastructure. Energy prices however, and thankfully are starting to fall just a little.

As c1 are in opposition and for oppositions sake, rather than accepting they had their decade and blew it, rather than being supportive of a new direction, look around and sees nothing is left beside nuclear. So pulls that out of the pocket as our salvation on energy causing little more than rejuvenated division. Talking it up as cheaper and works at night, but failing to mention the time it takes and virtually no country around the world has brought it in on time and on budget, with 15+ years the average build time. Seemingly to forget the butchered hydro saga which is still going.

Furthermore, in this failing country, C1 and C2 have made compulsory voting even harder for democracy to prevail. Manipulating electrical party rules that promote their old show of who will do the right thing for the country, over new blood that shows up what and old boring act they are. Its beyond nauseating.

I fugue if a grid can supply the day of sorts, then the grid will have excess at night. Preferring to sell it cheap rather than ramping up or down as it cost them money plus wear and tear. I imagine most countries are the same trying to supply energy to emerging evs during the day, the draw on a grid is potentially grid failing as it may expose little in preparation. Add in energy required for fast growing AI requirements and think many countries have been caught out.

Australia if anything has lots of sun and space, we are primed for solar but its amazing are opposed to it. Happy to clear a paddock for cows or a crop, but not energy.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by kilowatt88

I hear what you are saying, but what people dont realize is that electricity prices are going up just as much (and they NEVER ever go down), and then you have states (such as NJ recently) charging 5x for EV registration.
Add this to the overall higher EV cost and maintenance cost (Look this up in the real world, not what EV pushers are saying), you are saving nothing.

I would excerises an idea of the PHEV (Such as X5 e) just in case they decide to ration fuel (and remember with most people already having a "smart" meter, rationing electricity will be even easier (Dont believe me - look up at the capabilities of most smart meters, most people are completely clueless on this).

Just read in the news that they are ALREADY talking about rationing energy in places like Sweden and other EU countries.

Some years back I worked on smart meters for electricity, natural gas, water and rationing was a thing from the start. I knew then they would have -- when they came into common use -- have pluses and minuses.

Also worked on automobile trip/data loggers and in particular for insurance companies. And I could see the good and bad...

I can't keep up 100% on what's going on in other states. I keep up on what's going in the state where I live. The climate (no pun...) here is EV friendly as best I can tell. No extra charge for EV registration. Electricity rates are reasonable here with natural gas (38%), coal (25%), and nuclear (25%) supplying the bulk of the electricity with hydroelectric making up the difference.

There has been zero mention of any rationing of electricity. I have not read of any plans to build electricity sucking black hole masquerading AI data centers here either. Yay!

Last but not least state taxes on gasoline/diesel here are reasonable.

A resident of any state needs to be aware of what current costs are and what extra costs may be in the pipeline (and are seldom not put into effect at some point) and thus make an informed decision on to EV or not to EV.

[zx10guy]

In my money grab state, there has been talk of charging more for registering a EV AND if you have a car those crooks deem to be too fuel efficient. Just as has been mentioned, the crooks are realizing that revenue from gas taxes are in danger of going down in a significant manner with more EV adoption along with people buying more fuel efficient vehicles (ICE/hybrid).

[BTB_6MT]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

In my money grab state, there has been talk of charging more for registering a EV AND if you have a car those crooks deem to be too fuel efficient. Just as has been mentioned, the crooks are realizing that revenue from gas taxes are in danger of going down in a significant manner with more EV adoption along with people buying more fuel efficient vehicles (ICE/hybrid).

In most states, a significant amount of state fuel taxes go to road maintenance. EVs being heavier than similarly sized vehicles, they do impact road wear but don't otherwise contribute to maintenance. So states are looking for ways to make up this difference. Since many EV owners charge at home, point-of-sale EV charging taxes or surcharges on public chargers only make up so much of that deficit (we charge at home, so we never use public chargers). The easiest alternative is to add additional annual registration fees.

Here in Colorado, our wide temp swings in winter plus snowplows means our roads degrade very fast. We don't get frost heaves like in Michigan and other northern tier states but rather the roads just...disintegrate. my city is just now starting to experiment with road resurfacing that ze Germans pioneered for ze Autobahn. It costs 2-3x to lay down, but is supposed to last at least that much longer. How that will impact road taxes is yet to be seen, but frankly if we can have roads that don't pothole so quickly so that I can enjoy my M2 without blowing tires, damaging wheels and suspension and without constant construction disrupting my driving enjoyment, that's a tax I'll gladly pay.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by BTB_6MT

In most states, a significant amount of state fuel taxes go to road maintenance. EVs being heavier than similarly sized vehicles, they do impact road wear but don't otherwise contribute to maintenance. So states are looking for ways to make up this difference. Since many EV owners charge at home, point-of-sale EV charging taxes or surcharges on public chargers only make up so much of that deficit (we charge at home, so we never use public chargers). The easiest alternative is to add additional annual registration fees.

Here in Colorado, our wide temp swings in winter plus snowplows means our roads degrade very fast. We don't get frost heaves like in Michigan and other northern tier states but rather the roads just...disintegrate. my city is just now starting to experiment with road resurfacing that ze Germans pioneered for ze Autobahn. It costs 2-3x to lay down, but is supposed to last at least that much longer. How that will impact road taxes is yet to be seen, but frankly if we can have roads that don't pothole so quickly so that I can enjoy my M2 without blowing tires, damaging wheels and suspension and without constant construction disrupting my driving enjoyment, that's a tax I'll gladly pay.

I get why local governments are looking for ways to get EV owners to pay into the taxes that ICE drivers do via the gas tax. But crooks where I am brought up was to capture EV's road use, they threw in the their desire to have some sort of fee for those with fuel efficient vehicles which don't consume as much gas. The crooks here have bought into the green agenda but are now punishing those that are operating vehicles these idiots themselves were pushing the residents to purchase.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Some years back I worked on smart meters for electricity, natural gas, water and rationing was a thing from the start. I knew then they would have -- when they came into common use -- have pluses and minuses.

Also worked on automobile trip/data loggers and in particular for insurance companies. And I could see the good and bad...

I can't keep up 100% on what's going on in other states. I keep up on what's going in the state where I live. The climate (no pun...) here is EV friendly as best I can tell. No extra charge for EV registration. Electricity rates are reasonable here with natural gas (38%), coal (25%), and nuclear (25%) supplying the bulk of the electricity with hydroelectric making up the difference.

There has been zero mention of any rationing of electricity. I have not read of any plans to build electricity sucking black hole masquerading AI data centers here either. Yay!

Last but not least state taxes on gasoline/diesel here are reasonable.

A resident of any state needs to be aware of what current costs are and what extra costs may be in the pipeline (and are seldom not put into effect at some point) and thus make an informed decision on to EV or not to EV.

Think you have nailed it. Humans are quite focused on best, worst, cheapest etc, where really a grid needs diversity of a multitude of energy sources for redundancy, unforeseen shortages and events.

The older I become, I have come to realise picking a place to live with governance you agree with, and are pro active for you liking makes a huge difference in ones contentment. Nowhere is perfect but where I live the local council are no, no, no. They can't see the future for fear of it. They prefer to use money as the excuse, but when you hear from a multitude people who know talk about their management of it, I can see why the answer is no.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by BTB_6MT

In most states, a significant amount of state fuel taxes go to road maintenance. EVs being heavier than similarly sized vehicles, they do impact road wear but don't otherwise contribute to maintenance. So states are looking for ways to make up this difference. Since many EV owners charge at home, point-of-sale EV charging taxes or surcharges on public chargers only make up so much of that deficit (we charge at home, so we never use public chargers). The easiest alternative is to add additional annual registration fees.

Here in Colorado, our wide temp swings in winter plus snowplows means our roads degrade very fast. We don't get frost heaves like in Michigan and other northern tier states but rather the roads just...disintegrate. my city is just now starting to experiment with road resurfacing that ze Germans pioneered for ze Autobahn. It costs 2-3x to lay down, but is supposed to last at least that much longer. How that will impact road taxes is yet to be seen, but frankly if we can have roads that don't pothole so quickly so that I can enjoy my M2 without blowing tires, damaging wheels and suspension and without constant construction disrupting my driving enjoyment, that's a tax I'll gladly pay.

For me the whole EV is heavier causes road damage is just BS. You are onto it however and its water, and water alone. I get blamed for wrecking the roads all the time with 20 wheels and 45T twisting and turning. However the road is fine until it rains, then the water very quickly exposes every weakness there is in that roads surface or its preparation. It also explains why roads go pear shape in rain where trucks don't go. The heavy EV is no more than an idea that makes sense to find a tax for new tech. Still they use the roads so should be paying their way.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Hmmm The free market is speaking.

California’s BEV market share hit a four-year low in Q1 2026

Battery-electric vehicle (BEV) sales fell 40.2% year-on-year in California during Q1 2026, pushing the state’s zero-emission market share down to 13.7%, the lowest level since Q4 2021, according to new data from the California New Car Dealers Association (CNCDA). Hybrid vehicles jumped ahead to claim a 20.9% share, while internal combustion engine (ICE) sales rose back to 61.1% from 54% a year earlier.

sorry to burst your bubble but thanks to your president and secretary of war it's now gone the other way

when gasoline supply became a critical, people suddenly stopped buying ICE and overnight the developed world sold out of EVs.

who benefits?

China! they had the benefit of overnight increasing their supply of EVs to nations who would buy them.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Live by China, Die by China

Global EV sales fall again in February

Global EV sales down 11% to just over 1 million
February sales down 32% in China, 35% in North America
Europe up 21%, rest of world up 78%

March 13 (Reuters) - Global EV registrations fell 11% in February, dragged by *China's largest sales drop since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in early 2020, data by consultancy Benchmark Mineral Intelligence (BMI) showed on Friday.
As governments worldwide hit the brake on policies designed to ​encourage purchases of electric cars, China has pulled funding for auto trade-ins, while a ​tax exemption on EV purchases in the country expired at the ⁠end of last year.

I think you will find EV sales and ESG trends parallel.

i think you will have to watch when the next quarter's data is released i'm afraid ....

something happened in March and reliance on fossil fuel became an overnight imbroglio

overnight, people cannot buy enough EVs and seem to be turning to China's EV industry

i sold my Kia EV9 within 24 hrs of listing, for 10% more than i bought it!

now i can enjoy my N63 V8 while i shop for a new EV ...

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