Save the manuals!!!

Pauly Wauly · 10-17-2023, 12:08 PM

At least Porsche is still listening to their customers

https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-is-...ve-the-manuals

gblansten · 10-17-2023, 12:19 PM

Manuals will continue to suffer attrition even in the sport segment. This is obviously true for EVs. My car has only one forward gear. There is no saving the manuals except as a very niche issue and mainly for just used vehicles.

3798j · 10-17-2023, 12:24 PM

Toyota says they've got a manual EV in the works.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota...-transmission/

gblansten · 10-17-2023, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 3798j

Toyota says they've got a manual EV in the works.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota...-transmission/

That's like vegan bacon. Makes no sense. You just need one gear and I can go to 200 mph. (Can but won't obviously.)

Pauly Wauly · 10-17-2023, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

Manuals will continue to suffer attrition even in the sport segment. This is obviously true for EVs. My car has only one forward gear. There is no saving the manuals except as a very niche issue and mainly for just used vehicles.

Yeah, eventually, they will fade away, I agree, but for now, Porsche is not looking to get rid of them anytime soon, which is a good thing for those die-hard manual transmission fans.

XutvJet · 10-17-2023, 12:42 PM

I commend Porsche for keeping manuals alive but they will likely also only offer them in their specialty multi-hundred thousand models that basically no one can afford. And those that pay $150K+ for a Porsche? Suckers.

3798j · 10-17-2023, 01:28 PM

"Lexus has progressed as far as adding a manual gearbox to a battery-powered UX300e SUV for research and testing, and says the technology allows drivers to load in the characteristics from different petrol engines."
Think this would be considered a manufacturer "filling a niche".

https://www.drive.com.au/news/lexus-...electric-cars/

Chihuahua · 10-17-2023, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

That's like vegan bacon. Makes no sense. You just need one gear and I can go to 200 mph. (Can but won't obviously.)

Agree, and I love my manual car. My guess is the take rate on a manual EV will be less than it already is for ICE cars. I don't know why any manufacturer would put money into R&D for this. Love the vegan bacon analogy too; either do it for real, or not at all.

RM7 · 10-17-2023, 02:33 PM

But how can you play with your phone if you drive a manual!!?

Efthreeoh · 10-17-2023, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RM7

But how can you play with your phone if you drive a manual!!?

Easily.

TheWatchGuy · 10-18-2023, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RM7

But how can you play with your phone if you drive a manual!!?

phone in the left, steering with the knee, shifting with the right.

the hard part is also eating at the same time.

Pauly Wauly · 10-18-2023, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

steering with the knee, shifting with the right. also eating at the same time.

Lol, I remember doing that a lot in the 80s. I`m not sure I could do that today....And not using the clutch for upshifts

MassWholeBimmer · 10-18-2023, 06:09 PM

I love manuals so much, when I used to travel to the UK for business, I would always ensure I got a manual car from Avis... At least the break/clutch/gas pedal are the same layout as in the States. Left hand shifting is tough enough... Peugeot 6 speed... oh yea baby

Socal_R8 · 10-18-2023, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wauly

At least Porsche is still listening to their customers

https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-is-...ve-the-manuals

love my manual

chassis · 10-19-2023, 12:24 AM

Volkswagen Up!

5-gang Schaltgetriebe

Renting one now. Barely gets to 160kph on the Autobahn. Fun little appliance in the city.

Efthreeoh · 10-19-2023, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

phone in the left, steering with the knee, shifting with the right.

the hard part is also eating at the same time.

Try it with your right leg in a cast, upper-thigh to ankle. Well, without the cell phone, they weren't ubiquitous back in the mid '80s.

Efthreeoh · 10-19-2023, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

love my manual

So, you decided not to sell it?

DocL · 10-19-2023, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Try it with your right leg in a cast, upper-thigh to ankle. Well, without the cell phone, they weren't ubiquitous back in the mid '80s.

I drove a manual with my right leg in a full immobilizer for three months. Using my left leg for the clutch and brake was a little tricky, but I also used the handbrake a lot.

Efthreeoh · 10-19-2023, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DocL

I drove a manual with my right leg in a full immobilizer for three months. Using my left leg for the clutch and brake was a little tricky, but I also used the handbrake a lot.

Exactly how I did it too.

As a side note. After my total knee replacement surgery in 2012, I was back in the E90 two weeks later driving my 80-mile (one way) commute. The Doc said clutching was great PT.

shawnhayes · 10-19-2023, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

That's like vegan bacon.

I like vegan bacon. Cause I'm fat.

Shawn

P1 · 10-19-2023, 11:05 PM

Let's not stop at just a manual transmission! Save the drum brakes, manual crank windows and bring back the 8 track!

chassis · 10-20-2023, 07:21 AM

The VW Up! I rented had tilt-out rear passenger windows, no "screen" and no backup camera.

It did, however and strangely, have ALK.

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