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I grew up with the sweet noise of classy aircrafts like the Caravelle, BAC1-11, 727 and other unfiltered, pure and very loud jet engines. The airport of Hamburg was only 7mls away from our flat and with the beginning of the modern jet engines the noise became more quite.
Within years the surrounding houses encircling the airport were coming closer and closer, at the end alongside of the Rwy 05/23 were nearly fully filled with houses. Needless to say, that sooner or later some noise-preventing initiatives were coming up and the first achievement they got were the sharp duty times from 6AM to 11PM and not a minute later/sooner. Also, since Lufthansa has had a very big layover yard onto the airfield beginning from the early 60s, they had to build better noise cancelling hangars for engine run ups and other very expensive stuff to do to please the people around the airport, which were definitely came very later - and hell yeah, they had to be warned that theres' an airport into the neighborhood. During my own flying time the air base was far enough away from all houses and we have had a very good friendship to almost all people around us. As a fair compromise we had dealed out more restrictive noise abatements to defined times when hitting the afterburners, but thats it. Now in Munich I live only 2 mls away from one of the runways and I can't complain about the noise, because I know this fact before I had moved down here. My whole life had turned around aircrafts and I can accept, that there are people out there, who are not in love with the sidefacts of aviation. But as already read, then stay the hell out of the vicinities of the airports.
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10-11-2022, 03:02 AM | #24 |
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One of my properties is on the land flight path to Heathrow with aircraft now starting to land starting at 6AM and even the heaviest sleepers have a rude awakening.
It's all very well saying to people not to buy houses near airports and on landing path routes but many people have their homes where aircraft noise wasn't a problem before and the sheer amount of increased air traffic and lower descents of the aircraft are a real problem. Building the main UK airport on the Thames Estuary would be much better for a lot of residents suffering this unwanted noise pollution. |
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The C-5 has a very distinctive sound to it. I may be one of the few on this board to have heard a Convair B-36 with its six radials (and four jets if still taking off). Two completely different aircraft and yet in both cases, you could tell you were listening to something BIG! The other couple of aircraft I would put it in that category are the Tupolev Tu-95 or -142 (four gargantuan turboprops) and the Douglas C-124, which had four R-4360s. With any of those you could tell this was no lightweight flying by.
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Meanwhile the new runway is in use and guess what? The lightning center row including the strobes is ending very, very close at the fence of the hotels property. That said, you will get up very early, when they are switching on the lights in to morning and you have no light-tight shades to avoid that enormous bright flashing lights
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10-11-2022, 12:11 PM | #27 |
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What about when they completely change the flight path since they put in a new runway? I didn't have take-off planes flying over my house when I bought it 20+ years ago. All departures are SUPPOSED to avoid the neighborhood until they get a little further west, THEN turn north to their destinations. But every day I can record all sorts of planes accelerating over my back yard. We were never notifed, or agreed to any change in the flight path/runway.
Somebody's jet takes off at 5:30am, on the dot, every weekday morning. Luckily my alarm is going off at the same time.
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Oh, I know, because the rich city that the airport is actually located in doesn't want complaints from their citizens, so lets fly over the DUC, they won't/can't complain. Disadvantaged, Under-represented Community, it's an official designation in Cali
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https://flightaware.com/resources/ai...SNA/DP/all/pdf Looks like there's a "pie" southwest of the airport that is verboten. I believe there's also a reduce power requirement. |
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If the airport was built before your house it's hard to have sympathy, unless the airport was expanded
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The moving of the magnetic grid on earth had led to rename all runway letter names and also to change the approach/departure routes. I can't tell you the exact gradiation of the last 20 years but for sure those are few degrees. Practical example: The Tornado aircraft has had during flights a tight table of tolerated navigation deviation. For that reason we had the abilitiy to cross before fixed navigation points to approve the displayed position to the real one. Those data were compared into the aircrafts system and the correction (if applicable) were shown and set. So the deviation planned/real was very small. For ensuring the fixed points it was necessary to recheck and reapprove them into a time window, which exact from-to I don't remember.
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The reasoning is alternating take off and landings in conjunction with winds to minimize the effects of noise pollution. I live 2 miles from a small Guard base with a 7.5K runway. We had A-10's then 6 years ago they transitioned to F-15c/d which are loud if your on the field but now we are slated to get F-35C ugh even more noise. We have a Gulfstream facility and a ANG uh-60 unit too but you barely hear them. Overall my road is louder than the aircraft traftic. Was surprised when they moved the F15's here vs next door to Westover it has more than enough space and had hangers which they had to build for the F15. Basically a fund raiser for a contractor. After 9/11 we were flying out of Frankfurt Main daily for stage missions into a variety of locations and we had the wall of shame for the crews that violated the noise restrictions for Sachsenhausen which was our turning point and we needed to be at a certain altitude to be cpompliant which was tough at 750K-840k the old TF-39's were straining to say the least. Last edited by M-technik-3; 10-12-2022 at 04:23 AM.. |
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My house was built 1950, I'm pretty sure before the airport. Then they added a new runway specific for take-off. No notification of planned/change to the DUC.
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I've lived 4 miles from an airport for a vast majority of my life... we are kind of on the landing path... can't say it's ever been particularly bothersome albeit we don't get any planes larger than delta 757s.
The only time its obvious is when you have the once in a blue moon military landing... you can absolutely hear an F18 lol... if you step outside it can damage your ears.
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