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I really liked the kid, but after this and a few other incidents, I honestly start to dislike him at this point. |
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And that they need to take more risks , and more risks means reckless in F1 terms . Max was forced to do this to stand against the Mercs and the reds .. Don't forget this was his home race and most of the eyes from the 85,000 spectators were looking for him only . So the pressure was really big , when we think he's only 18 we need to have even more repect for Max . Lewis Hamilton is 31 Kimi Räikkönen is 36 Max Verstappen is only 18 and drove already in F1 when he was only 17 , but won already a F1 race and several podiums . Who did this before in the F1 history ?
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Let me remind you, they are not driving spec miatas. Blocking Kimi when he was going at full speed could have been deadly... He will not earn more respect if he continues to drive like this, I guarantee it. |
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What have we seen in Spain from the Mercs ? While Max won the race and while they knew they had the best car anyway . Was this pressure ? Reckless ? Risks ? Or just ego ? This while they are teammates and the worse case scenario could been also the end ... and while they knew that one of them won the race anyway
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Ohhhhh, C'mon that's really BS !
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They race to get maximum results. they only need respect from teams and sponsors to ensure their income and next years seat. And that means foremost results, and maybe consistency, but respect from other drivers plays no part. Racing has only 1 goal. and that is to win. Respect from other drivers doesnt result in anything, there is no 'you know what, he's such a nice and respected guy, I think I'll let him pass' scenario. Thats why professional drivers absolutely dont care about respect from other drivers. If that's in your nature, you wont make it anywhere near professional level racing, let alone F1. Because if earning respect means not going the full 100% for your own results, you'll never win at top level. as for the crash, I see 3 drivers in 1 corner who all 3 thought they could get away with it or that 1 would back down. Guess all 3 were wrong...
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That block on Kimi at over 300kph was not only irresponsible, but very dangerous to his colleague. If someone less experienced than Kimi was there, he could have lost control, and losing control at that speed could be deadly. I will repeat again, if he continues doing that, forget respect, he will be fired by his own team. As for the crash, you are blaming all 3 drivers for that accident? It was Kimis corner and that's it. Other two drivers made a mistake, as simple as that |
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Opposite is true for Hulk or Alonso. How many times is Fernando mentioned as the best driver on the grid - even though he has been rounding out the top 10 this year? As for Nico...Hulk is constantly linked with top tier teams when the "crazy season" gets going. You don't get your name mentioned with Ferrari, MB, and Red Bull by picking up a few 7th places for Force India. |
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I think the first turn was Vettel's fault but don't agree with many of the double moves that Max has been doing to block cars behind him but as he pointed out there are plenty of times when people face penalties for driving infractions and the officials don't see it as enough of a problem to do anything to him.
So, blocking cars behind him keeps cars from passing him, officials do nothing about it and based on this he will probably keep doing it. Schumacher was hardly free and clear of controversy, neither has Hamilton been and "I can't stand Verstappen" seems really strong when Max is 18 and I don't think has even faced grid penalties for what he has done.
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I wouldn't criticize Max that much on Turn 1 incident. It is quite "common" for Spa race start at La Source. Although Max was a bit lucky not making himself the second Grosjean by causing a huge collision at that corner at race start.
However, Verstappan was walking a very fine line on his defense maneuvers. He was being criticized in Hungary defending Kimi (again). This time was straight aggressive "blocking" (in Indy car terms), he simply "reacts" to Kimi's path with a significant speed differential. This is like you driving down a freeway 85-90 mph, and some idiot came to your lane driving 65 mph without signal and only a few feed in front of you. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/08/3...ngerous-moves/ Above gave some suggestions that FIA can study further laying down some solid rules on differentiating "defense" and "blocking". In this case, Kimi could've in contact with Max's rear wheel and fly like Webber in Valencia 2010. I think at this point, RBR should sit down and have a long talk with Max. Encouraging him doing what he did in Spain, that was simply great defending, knowing the track and his car's capability. But Hungary and Spa, that's a no no in driving and overtaking etiquette. Once he gets more mature, he will be a great driver and definitely a world champion.
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If no penalty was given, apparently it was allowed. They know about the unwritten rules and they know about its relevance (or lack of) I think people use the age argument a bit too easily, which in itself is a fallacy. we'll see if he gets fired by his team.... I think they care more about results, so if he can provide them in future races.... Lets re-evaluate that argument in the future to see who's right. only time will tell. I'm sure that rbr also knows that results and taking risks are very much intertwined. Especially if the competition has a faster car.
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He was acting like a spoilt brat at times, but we have to remember he is still a teenager who has a lot of maturing to do on and off track. Hopefully this will happen fast before he causes a nasty accident.
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Yes, last season, when he scored almost twice the points as his teammate, and nearly outscored one of the Mercedes for 2nd in the championship, he was certainly displaying degraded skills. Just say you hate Vettel and be done with it. You don't need to make up crap. |
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